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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by yunohn »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #135
haiku2077 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preregister domain names, distribute then via chat apps like signal or whatsapp or telegram.

Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent, but I guess I'm confused about how this works financially. Sports streaming (especially something like La Liga) is the textbook example of a mass market product. The vast majority of the audience isn't technically sophisticated, and live streaming infrastructure is expensive. Pirate sites need a reasonably large audience t…

> Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent

Sorry, you mean WhatsApp detects and prevents the sharing of piracy links? I wasn’t aware of this, good to know. Is there a source of the various checks they have like this?

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by SXX »

Many will disagree here, but I really respect Cloudflare fight against government-enabled censorship and abuse of power by anti-piracy whatever.

Yes, sometimes CloudFlare used for some actually bad stuff, but same can be said for any cloud service. Having major internet infrastructure provider react to every whim of every single government in the world is not a good idea.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by refulgentis »

6510 wrote: post #158
6510 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say I want to watch some specific movie right now. How would you go about accomplishing this?

it's a serious question. I've tried hoarding subscriptions. It doesn't work.

Canistream.it, if not, rent and or buy from Google Play

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by carlosbaraza »

I live in Spain and my ISP is Digi, which uses the network from Telefonica. These blocks are incredibly frustrating, and a ton of people have noticed websites and services not working. However, because the block lasts some hours, people don't know what is happening: "is my mobile network bad?", "Is the website down?". They try a few hours later and it's back up, so they move on.

My company's website is behind Cloudflare and I discovered this whole situation because someone couldn't access it. Also my home assistant is not accessible from the internet the days with a match. And we use it to open the garage and the house. We learned the lesson the hard way being locked outside until I managed to connect with a VPN. This is just nuts and incredibly frustrating. And for La Liga we are just a bunch of "frikis" (nerds) complaining about it... because we are the only ones that understand what the problem is.

Unfortunately, someone would have to die and a lawsuit to follow, and maybe that could stop this crazy nonsense. E.g. A few days ago I read about someone with diabetes whose device was malfunctioning because of these blocks.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by mvdtnz »

neilv wrote: post #145
mvdtnz wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people behind Cloudflare spend all day, every day trying to solve these kinds of problems. They're just not as simple as you make it sound.

> They're just not as simple as you make it sound. I didn't say it was simple. I said I thought it was more achievable than "it can't be done." I suspect one of the barriers to it being done is that it's not a top requirement like I assert it should be, for basic resources of society. When led with that requirement, I have faith that some smart engineers and product management can figure it out. With apologies to JFK…

I doubt a single person in Cloudflare would claim it can't be done.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by kevincox »

dakiol wrote: post #30
blibble wrote: post #6

sounds like centralising most of the the internet behind a single easy target (Cloudflare) is a bad idea

Yeah. I think this is the elephant in the room. I keep stumbling upon "We need to verify you are a human" by Cloudflare in many sites around the web. Crazy.

I agree that having so many sites behind one CDN (and related services) is a problem, but I don't think it is the elephant in this room. Even if there were 100 very popular CDNs having 1% of sites blocked because one user was streaming sports doesn't feel acceptable. Shared hosting has always been very popular and you have sites like Shopify, Squarespace, WordPress.com that are hosting thousands of sites.

Maybe with IPv6 it will become normal to assign each customer their own IP? But I don't see it. This also reduces privacy because we are moving towards Encrypted Client Hello in TLS but we have made no progress to hide IPs.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by quesera »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #159
Zealotux wrote: post #5

I live in Spain, while I find the whole "life-threatening" narrative a tad overblown: I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding.

> I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding. It's not even about the power. It's about how freaking dumb of a "solution" that is. It's not "you're too powerful" (la liga and the judges enforcing this) but really "you're too fucking dumb".

BTW, your account seems to have been shadowbanned for the last 4 months.

You might want to reach out to the moderation team.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by tekla »

mac-mc wrote: post #91
jorvi wrote: post #46

I see so many people in these threads always complain about Cloudflare or Google CAPTCHA loops.. but even when using Private Internet Access (one of the most abused VPNs), I rarely if ever got on a full-on loop. Maybe Google CAPTCHA made me solve 3 things instead of one. Cloudflare is always just a checkbox. And I have my Brave and Firefox profiles hardened. I'm not saying you aren't experiencing this, but I am curio…

It's because you have previous cookies/state in your browser that you got from non-VPN addresses, which adds to your trust score. Do it with a clean browser with AdBlock and many, many things block you. If you don't clear your state or keep its original origin VPN only, you're breaking a big point of using VPNs.

I use Firefox Focus on mobile, use-once containers on Firefox Nightly w/ Mozilla VPN or Mullvad and have never entered the doom loops that are described.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by neilv »

jedberg wrote: post #154
neilv wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. To me, this sounds like giving up way too easily on engineering problems. One distinction to start with: Let's say grandma's router isn't part of a DDoS attack. Even if she might be trying to talk…

We have thought harder. We know the solution. But you have to trade off privacy for security. It's having every person get a cryptographic key from the government to identify themselves. Some states are trying this now with porn sites and users are rightfully not having it.

You know a solution, not necessarily the?

What do you have to do to characterize packets sufficiently to shield against DDoS with negligible false-positive significant blocking? (Without needing to associate packets with an identifiable person, nor zero-knowledge proofs of a person, etc.)

It's OK to discard some prior requirements. (For example, it's OK to insert occasional brief latency (not barge-in Web browser JS) to some traffic, if that permits an approach that greatly reduces false-positive blocking. And it's OK to pass some traffic with a suspected single client, but then change your mind later. It's OK to forget about connection abstractions and clients, and look only at stateless packets and the entirety of traffic.)

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