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Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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dns_snek wrote: post #160
miragecraft wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The logic is simple, as soon as you collected and/or processed IP addresses, you need user consent as it is personal data. You don’t get to “undo” this requirement by discarding the IP address afterwards, the law doesn’t care. Others have come to the same conclusion: https://github.com/plausible/analytics/discussions/1963

I see, I was confused because you mentioned GDPR but it has everything to do with ePD and I wasn't aware of this issue, thanks for sharing! > Arguing otherwise is like claiming it’s legal to steal from a store as long as you return the goods the next day - it’s legal fantasy. That said, this strongly implies that these privacy-focused analytics platforms are unquestionably breaking the GDPR and behaving in an unethic…

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Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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betterThanTexas wrote: post #55
luckylion wrote: post #36

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Grafana isn't a Google Analytics alternative. You can build a lot of what you need with it (I've done that), but you still need to manage the actual Analytics part separately, Grafana only gives you the visualization. It's okay, but I probably wouldn't choose it again. The ease of setting up Dashboards and Panels is great at first, but you pay for it with a low ceiling of what you can do (without building around it)…

> actual Analytics I've never used google analytics before. What's the marginal value over statsd?

Primarily the ease of use. You add the JS to your site and don't worry about anything else, collection is very fast (delivering data is < 30ms) and has edge-servers around the globe.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by XCSme »

nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

I can only speak for myself (I made UXWizz): I feel like interest has always been there for different platforms, most are still too simple or too complex and hard to set up and use.

In my case, I am simply focused on the self-hosting niche, trying to make the best self-hosting experience. I have an advantage here, because most other tools earn their money from their cloud version, so they don't really want you to self-host, thus usually provide different "open-source" versions and rarely provide support for it.

Also, because "cloud-focused" analytics are built for scale, they are actually not optimal for tracking smaller amounts of traffic (most websites don't have millions of visitors per month), so they use more resources for running scale-proof stacks.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by XCSme »

xyst wrote: post #41
nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Posthog is pretty good but very pushy towards using their SaaS (understandably). Self hosting is not really advertised on their main site however is buried in their gh repo as a footnote [1] with indications of vague issues past 100K events/month. Haven’t delved into how to scale it past that though and they do provide some docs that I have yet to review. Also the primary repo is not FOSS, and that "100% FOSS" repo i…

Yeah, this is why I think cloud-based with free self-hosted version doesn't work, because they are basically competing with themselves if the self-hosted version works too well.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by XCSme »

Onavo wrote: post #142
nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Which ones are embeddable? Often I need to embed some analytic charts for users in my app e.g. blog views and very few support easy embedding+authentication.

I am actually implementing the widgets/embedding feature in UXWizz.

What type of authentication would you need? A simple token in the embedding URL? Or you want a way in which you can publicly share the URL, but require a password/auth?

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by XCSme »

steviedotboston wrote: post #34
nm980 wrote: post #20

The market for Google Analytics alternatives is crowded. There's Plausible, Ahrefs web analytics, onedollarstats.com, PostHog, Matomo, Unami, Grafana, Microsoft Clarity (free at any scale), and so many others. Despite minor differences these products all compete for the same users (e.g. if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics) yet most of these companies offer generous free t…

Clarity is more of a Hotjar competitor, right?

Yeah, but free as far as I know.

You usually have:

All-in-one analytics: Posthog, Matomo, UXWizz (I made it!)

Simple analytics: Plausible, Umami

Qualitative analytics (heatmaps/recordings): Hotjar, Clarity, FullStory, Mouseflow, LuckyOrange, etc.

I think Clarity also added more analytics features, but you're still sending all your data to Microsoft.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by XCSme »

eGP9jDq_nw wrote: post #151
vivzkestrel wrote: post #113

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this is some kinda joke right? analytics are necessary for 10000 reasons

.. may we see them?

Tracking conversions, errors, page load speeds, bot traffic, traffic sources, marketing campaigns, top pages, etc.

It helps run your business and make sure everything works as expected, and that you don't waste money on ads/marketing/seo/traffic, etc.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by XCSme »

miragecraft wrote: post #96

A couple of days ago I was researching website analytics and GDPR/cookie law, and it seems clear that you need user consent even if IP addresses are only processed or temporarily stored before being discarded. Arguing otherwise is like claiming it’s legal to steal from a store as long as you return the goods the next day - it’s legal fantasy. I don’t think the EU is eager to go after these “ethical” analytics compani…

The law will change soon as far as I know, but still, the best way to respect data privacy laws is to not send your data to other companies AND to avoid tracking personal and sensitive data as much as possible. If you self-host and don't share the tracked data, you are already doing better than 99% of the companies
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