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The Brief Origins of May Day

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Why don’t labor issues resonate more with tech workers? I know that we’re not a monolith and are actually a heterogeneous mix of opinions, but there frequently talk about job dissatisfaction (career burnout, comically stingy equity grants, etc). But when organizing comes up, it’s usually treated with disdain because so many have bought into highly individualistic hustle-culture and the narrative that unions only exis…

Labour issues? I'm afraid that most tech workers still believe that improving the technology is enough for the society to thrive, not rethinking capitalism (or at least its current implementation).

Re: The Brief Origins of May Day

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Yes there is. I hate unions and I hate union work and I love doing my job.

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Then I will take that insult with a pride. My parents were also called such by Russian occupiers.

Just do not be surprised that people run away from ideas (even reasonable ones) when associated with such beautiful terms as "class traitor".

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> All political agendas are violence.

if treated seriously, that just makes "violence" a meaningless term

for start, there is a difference between threats of violence and actual violent acts for example

Re: The Brief Origins of May Day

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Sure. And that is why protesting looks so ridiculous. The oppressed working class, making six figures typing away in a well furnished office.

the labor movement really needs to get beyond this stereotype that it is to lift all these hunched poor little downtrodden suppliants out of poverty. workers who have successfully organized are not pitiful schlubs, and their affluence is a testament to the success of their organizing, not its triviality. political interests of the labor class just are not the same as those of capital, and therefore its methods and ai…

one thing that i've been repeating for years now is that if you want tech to organize, unions need to sell themselves differently.

unions in the past are portrayed as remove physical dangers, limiting to reasonable hours and fair wages. but tech workers already have that stuff, so they don't see an upside.

codetermination (getting workers on the board), four day work weeks, full-time remote, sabbaticals, open source support, rethinking startup equity, ... there's all sorts of things we could be pushing for that would make our jobs better that we could to push for if we worked together.

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The unions I have heard about or seen in action (in Poland or from news) either (1) demanded flat payment increases for all workers based on seniority etc. Which may make sense for factory workers but I am not enthusiastic about flat rates for programmers not taking into account actual experience/availability/output etc. Factory workers in many cases do job that can be easily rated and measured and do some specific a…

The union at my workplace is of the opinion that engineering jobs should be outsourced so that factory work can be kept onshore. Do you think I would join an organization like that? There is a clear conflict of interest between blue and white color workers and the more numerous blue color workers push the union to prioritize them.

if they're not fighting for you, they're no your union. it's a union.

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> The threat of violence is the only way social progress has ever been made. This is a lie. Poland and many areas occupied by Russia managed to end Russian control without this.

I wouldn't call the fall of the only socialist superpower at the time social progress.
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