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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by ryandrake »

conradev wrote: post #151
adamhowell wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of a mobile app… At the 6 mins and 40 seconds timestamp on this video ( https://youtu.be/cq1qEjwSYkw?t=400 ) he shows the car app that will tell you current range, etc

I'd recommend folks watch the video – it's fascinating. The truck gets OTA updates through your phone and not some LTE modem. It doesn't have one. They moved all car management including OBD-like functionality to the phone, too, which I think is awesome. This is how I want the interior design philosophy of manual controls to be digitized – with digital control. I'd pay $10k more for physical buttons, though.

Ugh. Yuck. Very disappointing. Was really hoping this thing wasn't going to be phone dependent.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by Suppafly »

mgaunard wrote: post #103

With all those missing of basic features why is it still 20k and not 10k?

>With all those missing of basic features why is it still 20k and not 10k?

Because you can't sell a car for 10k in the US without losing money.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by patagonia »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #135
patagonia wrote: post #52

If this can’t compete head to head (no tariffs or other import restrictions) with BYD and the like, then I don’t know why one would get excited. Feels like an expensive consolation prize with tons of compromises. I want competition.

You can't really compete in a any real sense when the labor price differential is so massive and the companies and supply chains are directly subsidized. The price does not reflect the product, but all its inputs.

I never said that I’d expect that a US automaker would “win”. I want the best car at the cheapest price to be made available. And for that to be done within a level playing field with regards to safety / workforce / environmental / labor regulations. My expectation is that US automakers do not win, even with subsidies. But I do think keeping an industrial base in the US would be worth that compromise.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by 7thaccount »

ty6853 wrote: post #35

I love it. However I wonder about the overlap between people that need a truck and this particular truck. I have only owned trucks when I needed to go out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with a payload, in places with poor access to electricity. If I need to go in bumfuck nowhere without payload then there is no need for the truck, and if I need a payload in the city it's just way way cheaper to have it delivered wh…

Yes. I want this truck...but with a 4 cylinder ice engine. Nothing fancy. No needed stereo or seat warmers or complicated anything. I want a small, simple, and affordable truck with good reliability. Before anyone asks, I can't drive the tiny Japanese trucks in my state. They are cool, but look too small when people are driving what are essentially container ships with wheels these days.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by gotoeleven »

krunck wrote: post #157
water-data-dude wrote: post #75

The fact that it’s so bare bones (no stereo, etc. unless you put one in) makes me really hope that it doesn’t phone home with a firehose of telemetry like pretty much every other new car. If so, they’ve got my interest

Excellent question. Isn't that required by law in the US now?

We've detected that you're not driving towards the bug store to collect your bug rations. Correcting route.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by hedora »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #135
patagonia wrote: post #52

If this can’t compete head to head (no tariffs or other import restrictions) with BYD and the like, then I don’t know why one would get excited. Feels like an expensive consolation prize with tons of compromises. I want competition.

You can't really compete in a any real sense when the labor price differential is so massive and the companies and supply chains are directly subsidized. The price does not reflect the product, but all its inputs.

The $20K from the article is after a $7500 subsidy.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by oslem »

ryandrake wrote: post #136
taylodl wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd want the mobile app to be an auxiliary, not a requirement for operating the truck. Keep the dashboard simple.

I'd be worried that once an app got a foothold into the product, the company would be unable to resist the urge to spread the app's tentacles across the entire vehicle, adding connectivity and telemetry and DRM, integrating it into the other car's systems, adding remote-this and wireless-that, and then inevitably the product would end up just like the turd cars we have today.

100% agree. I would be fine if they had an estimated time-to-fully-charged displayed on the screen. I don’t need to know the status of my vehicle, personally. I would imagine a third party system could be implemented to achieve most of what one would need.
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