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Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by paul7986 »

echelon wrote: post #104
iLoveOncall wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT was released in 2022, so OP's point stands perfectly well.

They're rumored to be working on a social network to rival X with the focus being on image generations. https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/15/openai-is-reportedly-devel... The play now seems to be less AGI, more "too big to fail" / use all the capital to morph into a FAANG bigtech. My bet is that they'll develop a suite of office tools that leverage their model, chat/communication tools, a browser, and perhaps a device.…

chatGPT should be built into my iMessage threads with friends. @chatGPT "Is there an evening train on Thursdays from Brussels to Berlin?" Something a friend and I were discussing but we had to exit out of iMessage and use GPT then back to iMessage.

For UX The GPT info in the thread would be collapsed by default and both users have the discretion to click to expand the info.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by pcdoodle »

It seems to be getting better. I used to use my custom "Turbo Chad" GPT based on 4o and now the default models are similar. Is it learning from my previous annoyances?

It has been getting better IMO.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by fpgaminer »

On the vision side of things: I ran my torture test through it, and while it performed "well", about the same level as 4o and o1, it still fails to handle spatial relationships well, and did hallucinate some details. OCR is a little better it seems, but a more thorough OCR focused test would be needed to know for sure. My torture tests are more focused on accurately describing the content of images.

Both seem to be better at prompt following and have more up to date knowledge.

But honestly, if o3 was only at the same level as o1, it'd still be an upgrade since it's cheaper. o1 is difficult to justify in the API due to cost.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by louthy »

drcongo wrote: post #121
kristofferR wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To use that criticism for this release ain't really fair, as these will replace the old models (o3 will replace o1, o4-mini will replace o3-mini). On a more general level - sure, but they aren't planning to use this release to add a larger number of models, it's just that deprecating/killing the old models can't be done overnight.

As someone who doesn't use anything OpenAI (for all the reasons), I have to agree with the GP. It's all baffling. Why is there an o3-mini and an o4-mini? Why on earth are there so many models? Once you get to this point you're putting the paradox of choice on the user - I used to use a particular brand toothpaste for years until it got to the point where I'd be in the supermarket looking at a wall of toothpaste all b…

You could develop an AI model to help pick the correct AI model.

Now you’ve got 18 problems.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by sebzim4500 »

osigurdson wrote: post #153

I have a very basic / stupid "Turing test" which is just to write a base 62 converter in C#. I would think this exact thing would be in github somewhere (thus in the weights) but has always failed for me in the past (non-scientific / didn't try every single model). Using o4-mini-high, it actually did produce a working implementation after a bit of prompting. So yeah, today, this test passed which is cool.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are asking the model to do, Gemini 2.5 pro just passed this easily. https://g.co/gemini/share/e2876d310914

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by irthomasthomas »

_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

That would explain why they all have a knowledge cutoff (likely training date) of ~August 2023.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by bitbuilder »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #85
jjani wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini 2.5 Pro is widely considered superior to 3.7 Sonnet now by heavy users, but they don't have an SWE-bench score. Shows that looking at one such benchmark isn't very telling. Main advantage over Sonnet being that it's better at using a large amount of context, which is enormously helpful during coding tasks. Sonnet is still an incredibly impressive model as it held the crown for 6 months, which may as well be a…

Main advantage over Sonnet is Gemini 2.5 doesn't try to make a bunch of unrelated changes like it's rewriting my project from scratch.

This was incredibly irritating at first, though over time I've learned to appreciate this "extra credit" work. It can be fun to see what Claude thinks I can do better, or should add in addition to whatever feature I just asked for. Especially when it comes to UI work, Claude actually has some pretty cool ideas.

If I'm using Claude through Copilot where it's "free" I'll let it do its thing and just roll back to the last commit if it gets too ambitious. If I really want it to stay on track I'll explicitly tell it in the prompt to focus only on what I've asked, and that seems to work.

And just today, I found myself leaving a comment like this: //Note to Claude: Do not refactor the below. It's ugly, but it's supposed to be that way.

Never thought I'd see the day I was leaving comments for my AI agent coworker.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by int_19h »

qoez wrote: post #133
jdross wrote: post #6

The pace of notable releases across the industry right now is unlike any time I remember since I started doing this in the early 2000's. And it feels like it's accelerating

Lots of releases but very little actual performance increases

Sonnet and Gemini saw fairly substantial perf increases recenly

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

postmaster wrote: post #159
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #149

What is again the advantage of pro over plus subscriptions?

> We expect to release OpenAI o3‑pro in a few weeks with full tool support. For now, Pro users can still access o1‑pro.

Ok, so currently they pay for nothing (or is o1-pro superior to o3?).
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