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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by TeMPOraL »

numpad0 wrote: post #138
adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

What it implies is, it's not really about ethics per se, just like it's not really about 6th digits per se. People hate AI images, cut and dry. Law is agreeable hate, in a way. Things that gets enough hate will get regulated out, sooner or later.

> People hate AI images, cut and dry.

People hate bad AI images, because they hate bad images, period. They don't hate good AI images, and when they see great AI images, they don't even realize they are made by AI.

It's true, there's a deluge of bad art now, and it's almost entirely AI art. But it's not because AI models exist or how they're trained - it's because marketers[0] don't give a fuck about how people feel. AI art is cheap and takes little effort to get - it's so cheap and low-effort, that on the lower end of quality scale, there is no human competition. It makes no economic sense to commission human labor to make art this bad. But with AI, you can get it for free - and marketing loves this, because, again, they don't care about people or the commons[1], they just see an ability to get ahead by trading away quality for greater volume at lower costs.

In short: don't blame bad AI art on AI, blame it on people who spam us with it.

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[0] - I don't mean here just marketing agencies and people with marketing-related job titles, but also generally people engaging in excessive promotion of their services, content, or themselves.

[1] - Such as population-level aesthetic sensibilities, or sanity.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by Spooky23 »

adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

End of the day, the hate is: “The software is great, but these jerks expect me to pay for it!”

Their sales went crazy because everyone was relentlessly pirating their software.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by llm_nerd »

megaman821 wrote: post #14

As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.

Bluesky currently has the kuro5hin "A Group Is It's Own Worst Enemy" effect going on. People who think they claimed land first believe that they get to define the future of the service for everyone else.

It's obnoxious, and if the service truly offers a real alternative to Twitter it needs to squash these brigading groups. I get that people don't want to see the posts of brands...so don't follow them. It's incredibly simple. I don't want furry content but I don't run around the platform complaining that some do.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by teruakohatu »

ikanreed wrote: post #5
jeffwask wrote: post #2

You don't get to play cute, fun, friend to creators and have the most odious licensing terms in the history of software.

Actually if you'll read the fine print, you're obligated to be friends.

And you cannot stop being friends until the end of the billing year, even if you are on a monthly plan.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by chongli »

lastofthemojito wrote: post #133
63 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that the extremes of hostility are worse on bluesky, but the average skeet is much less hostile. And there's just straight up fewer skeets to be angry about.

Being familiar only with the street slang for "skeet" and not Bluesky's relatively recent adoption of "skeet" to mean "Bluesky post", my parser really had to do some work to try to understand this sentence.

That’s deliberate. BlueSky did not want the term “skeet” being adopted but it happened anyway.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by Marsymars »

vachina wrote: post #53
Apreche wrote: post #41

I’m always the first one to criticize companies for exploitative and evil business practices. Adobe is far from innocent. However, I will argue their subscription model itself is actually better than the previous model. The reality is that Adobe has a large team of engineers to create and maintain several high end professional digital art creation tools. They also frequently add new and excellent features to those to…

> than a huge cash infusion every other year and a trickle until your next release It’s a very good incentive to keep the entire company on their toes. Adobe will have to keep making new features for people to justify paying for a new version, instead of rehashing the same software, and then rent-seek with a subscription.

How is that incentive notably different or better for consumers than the incentive provided by being required to remain better than competitors to retain subscription revenue?

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by fxtentacle »

nonchalantsui wrote: post #80
adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

For their pricing and subscription practices alone, they deserve far more backlash than they get.

I would describe my business relationship with Adobe as:

"hostage"

They annually harass me with licensing checks and questionnaires because they really hate you if you run Photoshop inside a VM (my daily driver is Linux), although it is explicitly allowed. Luckily, I don't need the Adobe software that often. But they hold a lot of important old company documents hostage in their proprietary file formats. So I can't cancel the subscription, no matter how much I'd like to.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Riverheart wrote: post #158
TeMPOraL wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People either don't understand how these models work or they purposely misrepresent it (or purposely refuse to understand it). Not only that, they also assume or pretend that this is obviously violating copyright, when in fact this is a) not clear, and b) pending determination by courts and legislators around the world. FWIW, I agree with your perspective on training, but I also accept that artists have legitimate…

“Not only that, they also assume or pretend that this is obviously violating copyright, when in fact this is a) not clear, and b) pending determination by courts and legislators around the world.” Uh huh, so much worse than the people that assume or pretend that it’s obviously not infringing and legal. Fortunately I don’t need to wait for a lawyer to form an opinion and neither do those in favor of AI as you might’ve…

> You see any of them backing down and waiting for answer from a higher authority?

Should they? That's generally not how things work in most places. Normally, if something isn't clearly illegal, especially when it's something too new and different for laws to clearly cover, you're free to go ahead and try it; you're not expected to first seek a go-ahead from a court.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by fracus »

megaman821 wrote: post #14

As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.

In my experience, that is completely untrue. I think it is more of "you are the company you keep" situation. Bluesky is obviously more socially liberal and therefore, IMO objectively smarter, nicer users and community. On Bluesky you have more control over your experience which makes me wonder how genuine your post is.
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