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Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by mvieira38 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #92
mvieira38 wrote: post #29

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Maybe I'm weird, but hobbies just feel like work anyways, except maybe reading. Learning Japanese just doesn't have the same feedback loop as grinding Dota or something... Alas, how would I tackle this issue with a kid? Maybe just throw a bunch of activities at him and see what sticks as a hobby?

> Alas, how would I tackle this issue with a kid? by teaching them that work is good and necessary. There's a book by Neil Postman Amusing Ourselves to Death , the central idea of which is that "form excludes content". The problem with Youtube, or in his time TV, isn't just the content, it's that all content by the nature of the medium must be entertaining. If it isn't entertaining, it isn't content. Hobbies feel lik…

But sometimes you're just tired, right? I get working on a hobby project on the weekends, but I can't fathom working on anything after a 10-12 hour workday

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by joshstrange »

pants2 wrote: post #34
dcchambers wrote: post #26

Disclaimer: I am a happy paid Kagi subscriber and absolutely am an advocate of their product. I really hope the company makes it work financially because we NEED something like it. I have two young kids of my own (4, almost 2) and have so far been able to avoid the issues of letting them free roam on the net, but it's obviously something that's coming. This was not something I ever paid attention to in my youth but n…

Feels like in my youth the biggest risk was stumbling on some freaky gore/porn that scarred you, but somehow that doesn't seem as bad as the risk of getting hooked on dopamine-optimized brainrot, alt-right propaganda, or micro transaction focused games.

I couldn't agree more, this pretty much describes me in my youth. I am legitimately terrified of what would have happened to me had I had access to some/certain alt-right influencers, I know for a fact that a younger me would have easily fallen into that mess. I get why it's appealing (at least to a certain person in a certain headspace).

I'm so glad the worst I feel like I ran into were freaky gore/porn.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by themaninthedark »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #74
themaninthedark wrote: post #60

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I don't know, there are books by an Austrian and a German both of which have sparked a large number of deaths. More to the point though; when the violence is occurring the author's work is used as a justification. If not their work, someone else's would do.

> when the violence is occurring the author's work is used as a justification. If not their work, someone else's would do This statement falls on its face with any examination. You're implying the Bible is on the same level as, say, Catcher in the Rye. As in, a book that was used as an excuse to kill by an already deranged outlier. The Bible was explicit law in the history of many countries. Non-practitioners were co…

>The Bible was explicit law in the history of many countries. Non-practitioners were considered second class citizens.

This is true for not just Christianity but also Islam(see Suni/Shia split, treatment of Christians and Jews under Islamic rule) and Buddhists(Key quote from wiki: "However, Buddhists have historically used scriptures to justify violence or form exceptions to commit violence for various reasons." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence).

I would say that if you take "Catcher in the Rye" expand upon it you could get a following that reaches the same level as the Bible and have fanatics that will use it's message for justification for violence.

Look at the Hutu/Tutsi conflict, this is not based on religion but still has the same dehumanizing going on.

In the US, there have been several 'feuds' that have members of one family killing another over slights, the Hatfield-McCoy being the most famous.

All it takes is a slight difference to separate groups of people, for example going to a different school.

"The Carolina fans that week were carrying around a poster with the image of a tiger with a gamecock standing on top of it, holding the tiger's tail as if he was steering the tiger by the tail," Jay McCormick said. "Naturally, the Clemson guys didn't take too kindly to that, and on Wednesday and again on Thursday, there were sporadic fistfights involving brass knuckles and other objects and so forth, some of which resulted, according to the newspapers, in blood being spilled and persons having to seek medical assistance. After the game on Thursday, the Clemson guys frankly told the Carolina students that if you bring this poster, which is insulting to us, to the big parade on Friday, you're going to be in trouble. And naturally, of course, the Carolina students brought the poster to the parade. If you give someone an ultimatum and they are your rival, they're going to do exactly what you told them not to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson%E2%80%93South_Carolina...

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by jmathai »

dustincoates wrote: post #151
jmathai wrote: post #27

Kagi seems like a cool company - I'm not a customer yet. I'd like there to be technology companies I can trust - perhaps like Kagi. I have been really happy with NextDNS though. My kids, not so much. But hey ... that's parenting.

I've moved from NextDNS to ControlD. NextDNS seems like it's been abandoned--good luck getting any level of support--and I've been really happy with the feature set of ControlD.

Any features or capabilities in particular from ControlD that you find most useful?

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by ziddoap »

doublerabbit wrote: post #68
ziddoap wrote: post #45

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> Maybe I am misunderstanding. I think you are... The only thing I've said in this comment chain is that Kagi cannot guarantee that bad stuff won't show up. Which you seem to agree with (despite saying my argument is void, for some reason, before agreeing with it). The rest has been you having a conversation with... I'm not sure who. Because you're asking a bunch of questions as if I am using this feature. I am not u…

And no one can guarantee you won't end up dead tomorrow morning. Your argument is moot in that sense. Just because it's good today doesn't mean it won't be bad tomorrow. If Kagi is putting best efforts to guarantee that today it's safe that's better than nothing, no? And which to me is kore worthy than not.

If this is some elaborate troll or April Fools to confuse me, you've succeeded. I have no idea what you're going on about.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by wngr »

7thaccount wrote: post #46
mvieira38 wrote: post #29

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Maybe I'm weird, but hobbies just feel like work anyways, except maybe reading. Learning Japanese just doesn't have the same feedback loop as grinding Dota or something... Alas, how would I tackle this issue with a kid? Maybe just throw a bunch of activities at him and see what sticks as a hobby?

Yeah that works. I've done piano, jujitsu, hockey, and half a dozen other things with my kid. If they ask to do something I let them, but make them do a commitment. If they hate it, they can stop when the season is over and try something else. The tricky part is to balance ensuring they learn not to quit just because something is hard, with not making them do something for too long that they've just figured out is no…

That’s a great, nuanced view! Thanks for sharing!

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun »

tombert wrote: post #147
Aeolun wrote: post #138

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> And you conveniently ignore Moses killing all the first-borns. I don't think it's really Moses killing all the first-borns. It's God. While he's complicit to some extent, he doesn't really have a choice in the matter. While he could theoretically ask for mercy, God isn't exactly known for his compassion at that point in the story. He only really mellows out a bit when he has his own child. Not to mention that Moses…

While I would understand the motivations for a concentration camp victim murdering all the firstborns, I still think it would be wrong. I would empathize, but fundamentally I don't believe in punishing children for the sins of their fathers. Additionally, if it's God killing all the firstborns, then it's still a bit odd. He's omniscient, shouldn't he be above petty things like revenge?

> shouldn't he be above petty things like revenge?

Something about creating man in his image? I think I’ve had that discussion before. To make anything he does reasonable, his omnicience and omnipotence need to have limits.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Aeolun »

tombert wrote: post #150
Aeolun wrote: post #137

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> He's considered a moral and good character purely because he was fully willing to sacrifice his child. We're supposed to think that the morally correct thing to do was to listen to God and murder his child. The whole point of the story is that Abraham is even willing to sacrifice the son he loves because god wills it. It's a story about having faith that there is a good reason for what god requests of you, even if…

I mentioned on a different sub thread, I think the story would be more powerful if Abraham himself decided not to kill Isaac, like if he had realized that no matter what God is offering, it’s not worth doing something completely evil. Like the Huck Finn “all right then I’ll go to hell”

It would be for atheists, but then it would be left out of the bible ;)

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by aitchnyu »

facile3232 wrote: post #10

Content for kids strikes me as something you'd curate around an experience and value system you sell to parents. I can't imagine anything else would work very well. Granted, this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to build filters. I'm just rather pessimistic about a hands-off experience with such software.

When I was a kid on 56k myself, the consensus was that their internet usage was monitored by adult eyes. Did curated libraries or content filtering step up to the mark?
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