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I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by teruakohatu »

averageRoyalty wrote: post #153
dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

In Australia you're not required to keep the packaging, and the company you bought it from must cover your shipping costs. This would constitute a Major Problem[1]. 1. https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/problem-with-a-product-or-...

That is a really good system you have over there.

I suspect the company would just respond “the dishwasher is working fine the owner just refuses to enable features as per the manual”.

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Post by cyanydeez »

anal_reactor wrote: post #155
broodbucket wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A return to dumb TVs would be great. Would gladly pay a premium to have a TV that's just a high quality panel and barely anything else.

What's the problem with having a smart TV but simply never using the smart functions? Mine works perfectly, once in a quarter shows some pup-up that I dismiss and that's it. BTW I needed to connect it to local network because the remote has no button for changing brightness, so I do that from my PC.

often they have cellular chips and may simply be privacy pests.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Spivak »

Jedd wrote: post #92
ryao wrote: post #74

I was in a similar situation with a clothes dryer dying where the repair required a board that was half the price of a new one. A key difference is that I had a professional appliance repair guy look at it and he determined it needed a new board. Rather than buy a new machine like Jeff did, I made the opposite decision and paid for the board. It has been a few years since that and I have been happy with the result. I…

You were prepared to replace a functioning washing machine just to match a replacement clothes dryer?

If you have guest-facing laundry machines such as a the very trendy washroom/mudroom combo then matching machines is part of the aesthetic. People have spent more on less impactful decor improvements.

I've spent more than the cost of a laundry machine on interior paint for my walls.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by Havoc »

Dishwashers and washing machine have really enshitified at warp speed.

Parents used to have them for decades plus. The last dishwasher my landlord put in made it about 6 month. Build quality feels like soda can alu

Basically disposable now

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by _carbyau_ »

boznz wrote: post #115

Dear Bosch, if you need someone to design a $5 control circuit that will time a few motors and actuators and last 20 years, just give me a call.

Control circuit - check.

Now I just need a box, some motors and actuators and a lot of waterproofing....

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by cyanydeez »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #160

For fear of becoming a one line repeater: It's kind of amazing that capitalism can go so far as to make customers want to opt out and build their fucking own...

capitalism is like fiefdoms with more steps. Since the US and some other countries just refuse to regulate monopolies, the power they wield to enforce rediculous hoops is unlimited.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by bluGill »

Neonlicht wrote: post #20
CharlieDigital wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a pretty high end LG washer/dryer combo that I purchased when I bought my current house (10 years old now, knock on wood; just been a workhorse). It has a steam cycle that has been used maaaaybe 3 times in that period? Of course, it doesn't work quite as well as just ironing... I inherited an old Maytag dishwasher with the same house that I never got around to replacing. It has like 5-10 cycles...and we only e…

I always think that if you have a very expensive dress you're better of bringing it to a professional dry cleaner service anyway.

Dry cleaning is sometimes needed but water is an amazing cleaner and no chemical solution can come close. Use cold water whenever possible and dry clean only if water can't be used.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by StrLght »

btbuildem wrote: post #47

One thing I've learned when buying a full set of appliances couple of years ago: don't read consumer reports or reviews by randos on the internet -- instead, go to industry literature, and read reports by/for service and warranty providers. They have actual hard data on the types and frequency of problems across brands and models. But back to the main theme of the article: hell to the no was my initial attitude, and…

I usually go through manuals if I’m worried about something specific. There’s no need to rely on reviews when you can get an answer directly from the manufacturer.

Jeff shows manual explicitly saying when you need an app, so this could have been avoided.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by nextts »

dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

Bosch knows how to perfect asshole design.

On some of their ovens there is a secret key sequence (like game cheat) to get the buttons working again. Every 6 months you need to do this otherwise pay for a service call to do this. Or have a defunct oven.

But it is not public info they have released (but had been leaked on YT)

So they have software with a bug and a workaround they won't tell you about. Ideally they should recall these ovens and pay for a replacement install.

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