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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by niek_pas »

gadders wrote: post #151
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

Always a surprise to see the contempt people in blue collar jobs are held in by Democrats.

Genuine question: is farming a blue collar job? My (possibly incorrect) image of farming is management of heavily industrialized processes, not of rolling up your sleeves.

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Post by dmos62 »

flowerlad wrote: post #126
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

That's 78% of farming-dependent counties, not farmers. >78% of any demographic voting at all would be a phenomenal step for democracy.

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Post by JdeBP »

nkmnz wrote: post #144
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

There are like… 2% farmers in the US?

Bear in mind that the President of the United States is not directly elected by a popular vote. The mathematics of who gets the largest voice are distorted, intentionally so by the Framers. They did not want low-population agrarian states to be permanently in effect disenfranchised.

It is ironic after all of these decades of originalism being seen as a reactionary thing against minorities that the Framers put positive discrimination for (economic and geographic) minorities into the Constitution explicitly to prevent "tyranny of the majority".

The U.S.A. is full of such ironies at the moment.

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Post by pjc50 »

gadders wrote: post #151
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

Always a surprise to see the contempt people in blue collar jobs are held in by Democrats.

Prisoner's dilemma, innit. If people are going to use "I'm working class" as an excuse for holding other people in contempt, they shouldn't be surprised to see it reflected back at them.

And contempt is one of the defining features of Trumpism/Muskism, far more than "blue collar".

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by monsieurbanana »

apwell23 wrote: post #121
highwaylights wrote: post #88

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IMHO this is the big story here. Large companies aren’t driven by opinion/ethics/politics except where there’s a branding incentive, so the motivation here is cost/risk. That these same companies are actively trying to nope right out of the US tech market where they can shows that they’ve priced in very real costs to both Trump’s unpredictability and the very predictable response to tariffs in their domestic markets.…

> IMHO this is the big story here. Its not until we actually see numbers. This guy could be making up/exaggerating ( "everyone" really?) these stories, because thats what ppl do on the internet. These type of protests usually die down because human beings always choose convenience and lower price. Also see blm, dei and other "movements" that died down as soon as news cycle changed.

It's not just a consumer movement, it's Europe itself moving to get away from an unreliable schizophrenic ally. You can't make long-term plans when every 4 years you're playing russian (eh) roulette with your partner.

The movement might slow down, but it's fundamentally different from a social movement limited to the US.

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Post by Jean-Papoulos »

nkmnz wrote: post #144
flowerlad wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

There are like… 2% farmers in the US?

A lot of these 2% live in states whose influence on the outcome of the presidential election is disproportionately high due to the electoral system. So you have a high influence of farmers on states that have a high influence on the election outcome and those 2% end up looking more like 4% in terms of practical influence.

It is disingenuous to lay the results at their feet only like the comment you're responding to suggests ; Trump did win the popular vote. The dems fumbled this one, plain and simple.

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Post by sofixa »

ETH_start wrote: post #127
hnbad wrote: post #48

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> the market alternative It's interesting that you imply the European Union is communist or state capitalist in a similar way to the Soviet Union or that European Alternatives are not part of the market, analogous to state-produced consumer goods in the Soviet Union. It's especially interesting (which is a nice way of saying preposterous) considering the primary function of the European Union has always been a Europe…

The EU is of course much more market-based than the Soviet Union, but the analogy is not totally without merit. Legislation like General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the Digital Services Act (DSA), and the Forestry Regulation, as well as heavy tax burdens and expansive restrictions on contracting freedom in the labor sector, have resulted in a situation where no EU company founded…

How is any of that even remotely relevant to a comparison with the Soviet Union?

EU companies aren't as overvalued/massive as US ones... and what does that have to do with the USSR?

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Post by graemep »

Teever wrote: post #143
flowerlad wrote: post #126

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> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

You misunderstand. While America is internally divided between rural and urban, or red and blue, or Woke and MAGA, the rest of the world is becoming united in seeing it all as just those damn Americans, and a growing threat. The world at large has stopped caring about the petty squabbling that goes on in America, the boorishness and the melodrama. America is the house down the street that always has shouting and scre…

I do not agree. The same division is spreading throughout the west, if not the world.

From the very woke education system in the US to the electoral success of the AfD in Germany we seem to be following the US.

Woke has not spread into Asia, but nationalism and racism were there already.

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Post by flohofwoe »

Yeul wrote: post #142
zwnow wrote: post #130

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Its always the farmers fault... Like it was in Germany back in the day. Keep people uneducated, dont support the poor and then act like you will solve these issues, its conservative 101

Seems to me America is a pretty shitty country to live in if you're not rich so I am not too mad that they protest vote for Trump. Ofcourse in Europe we learned that socialism improves the lives of the proletariat not national socialism.

There isn't a single socialist country in Europe since around 1990 (and good riddance). I think the term you're looking for is social-democracies (for the political system) or social-market-economy (for the economic system).
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