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The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by anonfordays »

gadders wrote: post #105
duped wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some beliefs deserve to be looked down upon and disrespected because they are backwards. I wouldn't call them "silly" because they're very serious. I don't believe in treating religious fundamentalists with compassion and empathy anymore. That's how we got the nutjobs in power, by not deriding them enough in public and private. There can be no tolerance of hate, and the people you are talking about are motivated by h…

Do you apply that rule equally to all religions, or just the ones that aren't likely to kill you/get you fired for expressing it? //edit//And I say this as an atheist.

They'd never admit it, but everyone knows they'd never say the same about Islam as they do about Christianity.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by lurk2 »

Arainach wrote: post #151
lurk2 wrote: post #141

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While I don’t want to look like I’m going to bat for the Hobby Lobby people, this seems like a very convenient way for you to argue that everyone ought to agree with your policy positions, even when those policy positions are not explicitly biblical. How do you reconcile the welfare state with Thessalonians 3:10, or Matthew 7:6? How do you address the restoration of Job? Was God mistaken in awarding Job with material…

Other humans are not "dogs" or "pigs". Jesus was unambiguous. "And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:30–31) Or, even more explicit, Matthew 25:31-46. "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, w…

> Other humans are not "dogs" or "pigs".

So why is the verse there?

> Jesus is explicitly advocating welfare - providing food, drink, clothes, healthcare, and more to anyone in need.

There is nothing in this verse which says that property is to be expropriated for the purposes of assuring others a particular standard of living, and I don’t think you’ll be able to find one.

> Jesus was also unambiguous on wealth. Christians, who follow the teachings of Christ, should give greater merit to his words than to anything in the old testament which came before.

You’ve ignored my question. If Jesus is God, and God rewarded Job with material wealth in this world, how can Jesus be said to offer an unambiguous criticism of wealth?

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by EnergyAmy »

gadders wrote: post #105
duped wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some beliefs deserve to be looked down upon and disrespected because they are backwards. I wouldn't call them "silly" because they're very serious. I don't believe in treating religious fundamentalists with compassion and empathy anymore. That's how we got the nutjobs in power, by not deriding them enough in public and private. There can be no tolerance of hate, and the people you are talking about are motivated by h…

Do you apply that rule equally to all religions, or just the ones that aren't likely to kill you/get you fired for expressing it? //edit//And I say this as an atheist.

Not OP, but I apply it equally. Fuck Islam. Anyone following the religion is a backwards pedo-worshipper.

Happy?

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by EnergyAmy »

anonfordays wrote: post #161
gadders wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you apply that rule equally to all religions, or just the ones that aren't likely to kill you/get you fired for expressing it? //edit//And I say this as an atheist.

They'd never admit it, but everyone knows they'd never say the same about Islam as they do about Christianity.

See my other comment, but it's true that more people are cautious about saying things about it. That's because the religion has so retarded the progress of societies it has infected that they are more likely to threaten violence against those who speak reason.

I don't really blame people for speaking more cautiously about it, but that's because of how much savagery the mind-virus demands of its followers.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by lurk2 »

Arainach wrote: post #149
lurk2 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I.e. wealthy people who don’t give it all away will go to hell. Did Job go to hell? > And the LORD restored the fortunes of Job, when he had prayed for his friends; and the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before. > [11] Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house; and they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the LO…

The New Testament is unambiguous. Jesus expels the money lenders from the temple and says it is harder for a rich man to go to heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Christians are, first, and foremost, followings of Christ and his teachings. That's the point of the entire name. Jesus's words have more weight than anything that came before. The Old Testament is where fake Christians always go to pic…

> The Old Testament is where fake Christians always go to pick and choose.

If you’re denying both the historicity and allegory of the Book of Job the whole religion begins to fall apart. If the Book is of allegorical value, why would Job be rewarded with wealth?

> do you also refuse to wear clothing made of multiple fabrics (Deuteronomy 22:9–11, Leviticus 19:19)

I’m not Jewish, so no.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by clear_view »

ck2 wrote: post #133
smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

Of course religion should be treated with sarcasm It singlehandedly has held back the world for centuries, caused the suffering and death of millions if not billions. It's completely made up, thousands of years before anyone knew anything about anything and then as science is learned the world is bent to its superstitions and not the other way around because it can never ever change because some ignorant dude said so…

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Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by EnergyAmy »

alabastervlog wrote: post #56
themaninthedark wrote: post #42

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Aside from what I called out in my sibling comment these two are pretty snide: "A fortune built on the sales of sewing notions and glitter has paid for many of the country’s most influential megachurches and scriptures delivered to the most remote corners of the world. A careful calculation of potential proselytized souls drives every financial decision." "Perhaps the Greens, in their inexperience, did not understand…

Well. Those sure are incredibly mild. This entire thread is among the most bizarre things I've ever seen on HN.

When you get this level of people jumping in to deflect based on tone, you know you're doing something right.

The person you're responding to isn't acting in a curious manner, they're trying to poison the well.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by EnergyAmy »

shaftway wrote: post #127

Every time I've shopped at a Hobby Lobby, I've gotten a weird feeling that there's something else shady going on. They don't use barcodes to price any of the goods. Everything has a sticker on it, and the cashier types up everything by hand. Your receipt ends up just being a list of dollar amounts and a total, nothing identifying your purchases in any way. I just assumed that they're doing this so they can falsify au…

There's no barcodes because they're batshit insane and believe in the "bar codes are the mark of the beast" thing that was popular back in the 90's.

People deflecting in this thread are either ignorant or also batshit crazy and should be ignored.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by clear_view »

EnergyAmy wrote: post #164
anonfordays wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'd never admit it, but everyone knows they'd never say the same about Islam as they do about Christianity.

See my other comment, but it's true that more people are cautious about saying things about it. That's because the religion has so retarded the progress of societies it has infected that they are more likely to threaten violence against those who speak reason. I don't really blame people for speaking more cautiously about it, but that's because of how much savagery the mind-virus demands of its followers.

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Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by boomboomsubban »

themaninthedark wrote: post #34
IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #14

Taking faith seriously: “he staffed “cerebral palsy patients” to chop, glue, and bag for $.10 per piece. Between the high demand and likely paying workers a subminimum wage, profits soared” Nothing like exploitation to drive home Christianity.

I actually called that out in my comment, notice the author says "likely". She looked at what is legal but horrific and then claims that he did it without any proof.

The author provided a source showing they had a factory where they paid workers with disabilities ten cents a frame, the "likely" is that they can't prove how many frames the people could make in an hour. They assume less than fourteen.
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