France rejects backdoor mandate • Hacker News Board

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by bananalychee » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:17 AM UTC

anonym29 wrote: post #127

dadoum wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your lack of empathy for others is always baffling for me. “I haven’t had problems with occupants, therefore they are not a problem.” They just said that they hadn't observed the same thing in their entourage. > Some had to crawl, bleeding on the floor, reciting to Coran. Are you referring to a recent event in France? Can't find any with the query "réciter coran otage". That quote makes France look like a war zone.…

I find your linked study intriguing, as an American who's aware of studies on my side of the Atlantic that show an inverse relationship between immigration and criminality - i.e. immigrants commit less crime than native born citizens: https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murde... Is that truly not the case in France? I'd be curious as to the results of a study comparing this effect across both count…

Crime rates from immigrant populations are highly dependent on where the immigrants come from, and the US tends to do a better job at integration than European countries in recent years. Not that the US did not experience problems with immigrant crime from South America, but it is much worse in Europe, notably with immigrants from the Middle East. I think the baseline crime rate in the US was also higher than it was in European countries, before mass immigration policies kicked in.

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by tonyhart7 » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:31 AM UTC

daniel-s wrote: post #116

palata wrote: post #3

Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

These aren't dumb people. They know exactly what they're asking for. Privacy and security of the public's data is not a priority to them, surveillance and power is. Politicians would much prefer all communication in plaintext, to hell with individual freedoms and privacy, especially European politicians that don't come from the same traditions of freedom as the anglophone countries. What politician do you expect to o…

"These aren't dumb people."

they are, most tech worker didn't know how cryptography works under the hood and yet you expect politician to know it??? nah its just intelligence agency make a request to parlement of some shit

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by zazazache » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:39 AM UTC

palata wrote: post #3

Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

They know, they just don’t care. And they have learned if they just ignore problems, then most times they’ll get away with it. Like for example all their responsibilities to stop an ongoing genocide, or to combat apartheid

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by agent327 » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:46 AM UTC

palata wrote: post #3

Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

The US have not become hostile. So far it has made two demands of Europe, and both of them are reasonable:

1. Europe should not rely entirely on the US for its defense (stated by Trump numerous times).

2. Europe should stop its mad self-destruction and descent into totalitarianism (stated by Vance on several occasions).

Were they incorrect? Were they unreasonable? Sometimes you need a friend to tell you a harsh truth. Hearing that truth does not make that friend into an enemy; quite the contrary.

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by ingohelpinger » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:53 AM UTC

this was a battle not the war, they will come back sooner or later.

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by ErrorNoBrain » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:53 AM UTC

palata wrote: post #3

Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

> but they should also not have no clue at all.

they usually talk to experts in those areas. Who those experts are can vary quite a lot though.

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by usrnm » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:54 AM UTC

tonyhart7 wrote: post #162

daniel-s wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These aren't dumb people. They know exactly what they're asking for. Privacy and security of the public's data is not a priority to them, surveillance and power is. Politicians would much prefer all communication in plaintext, to hell with individual freedoms and privacy, especially European politicians that don't come from the same traditions of freedom as the anglophone countries. What politician do you expect to o…

"These aren't dumb people." they are, most tech worker didn't know how cryptography works under the hood and yet you expect politician to know it??? nah its just intelligence agency make a request to parlement of some shit

Are you actually trying to say that understanding cryptography is a prerequisite for intelligence?

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by hkt » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:55 AM UTC

agent327 wrote: post #164

palata wrote: post #3

Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

The US have not become hostile. So far it has made two demands of Europe, and both of them are reasonable: 1. Europe should not rely entirely on the US for its defense (stated by Trump numerous times). 2. Europe should stop its mad self-destruction and descent into totalitarianism (stated by Vance on several occasions). Were they incorrect? Were they unreasonable? Sometimes you need a friend to tell you a harsh truth…

And tariffs are the the act of a friend too? Let's not be silly. Trump's is America first: the upshot of which is everyone else can be a subordinate or a rival. Europe is wisely choosing not to subordinate itself to the US quite so much. It'll be interesting to see if it becomes a real rival.

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by zxexz » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 7:59 AM UTC

hansvm wrote: post #129

shabgzer wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try German, too. I'm always amazed at the level of German writing, even by regular joes on forums and Discord, compared to for instance Dutch writing.

I might. I hardly know anything about the German language though right now. Do you have a rough sense of how much I'd need to study to be able to supplement with automatic tools and do something useful with German sources (50hrs, 500, ...)?

Probably closer to 50 than 500, assuming you've done something similar before and you have "native" proficiency with another germanic language. Honestly, just read the Dover First German Reader, watch a few TV shows end to end with captions a couple times, turning them off and on and rewinding whenever. Read some german-language forums, and watch some German language talks. That won't get you anywhere near conversational proficiency nor develop any speaking skills, but more than enough to get great value out of written text and a lot of talks, especially with some tools to help.

Re: France rejects backdoor mandate

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Post by TFYS » Sat, Mar 22, 2025, 8:04 AM UTC

agent327 wrote: post #164

palata wrote: post #3

Just like for other big challenges like biodiversity and climate change, it feels like it often boils down to the politicians just not understanding enough to take rational decisions. Of course they can't all have a PhD in cryptography, but they should also not have no clue at all. Over an over again, politicians are asking for backdoors. To me it just proves that they don't understand the very basic of how encryptio…

The US have not become hostile. So far it has made two demands of Europe, and both of them are reasonable: 1. Europe should not rely entirely on the US for its defense (stated by Trump numerous times). 2. Europe should stop its mad self-destruction and descent into totalitarianism (stated by Vance on several occasions). Were they incorrect? Were they unreasonable? Sometimes you need a friend to tell you a harsh truth…

1. And made it clear by threatening to take land from a European country by force.

2. That's funny coming from a person who is building a totalitarian system. He was supporting parties that would make a similar development in Europe possible.