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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by Spooky23 »

pogsywogsy wrote: post #147
Spooky23 wrote: post #34

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Nah. Insurance is based on the numbers, and Tesla is a shitty company to have financial liability to fix. There’s no parts, few shops, and lots of stuff to get stuck with. A friend had a rental for 4 months when the panoramic sunroof cracked on his Tesla. The vandalism isn’t computed in yet, and will immediately resulted in dropped coverage. If the Feds label it as terrorism, insurance generally excludes riot and ter…

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Cool, haven't had any crazy Elon people around here in awhile. If he doesn't care about Tesla, why do you?

Oh and how does insurance get 10x cheaper?

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Post by [deleted] »

Freedom2 wrote: post #160
pogsywogsy wrote: post #154

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I'm sorry, but either it's factually true (or mostly there, to be chartiable) or it's just good vibes and made up, and the latter doesn't lead to curious discussion, an important ethos for this site. If you make a claim then understandably people will try to evaluate the claim to see if it's true, and to also decide whether the conversation can be held in good faith or not.

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by llm_nerd »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #157
EnergyAmy wrote: post #106

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Throwing around Nazi salutes is normal? Are you writing this from an evil mirror universe?

You, and most who believe that, are ignoring the part where he said something like, "My heart goes out to you!" as he threw his hand from his heart out to the people in the crowd.

No one is ignoring that, and it's bizarre seeing people defend Musk in such a ridiculous fashion.

The plausible deniability angle would hit a little better if Musk hadn't also been endorsing a number of Nazi-adjacent parties and views, pushed literal white nationalist views repeatedly (which he has been doing for years -- he isn't concerned about birth rates, he is literally only worried about white birth rates while he runs his creepy birthing farm down in Texas, and that's aside from his endless "empathy is our weakness" attacks on migrants), and most recently literally excused Hitler on the basis that really it's the public servants who are to blame.

It's quite incredible really. If the guy wasn't already absolutely soaked with extremely far right rhetoric and beliefs -- save the absurd "oh he's a centrist" nonsense that zero people believe if they have any functioning grey matter at all -- it might have been excusable as something that just looked concerning.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by bryanlarsen »

tobias3 wrote: post #145
mezeek wrote: post #113

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He's got less than 20% of Tesla now, but he owns nearly half of SpaceX... bet you he'd be so so sooooooooo much richer if that went public too

With rational investors I doubt it. Space launch market size is like 20 billion. One launch is 70 million and they had 133 of them in 2024. Times two (currently at half market share) this would be 18 billion. That does not take into account that they are increasing the market size themselves with Starlink. And with Starlink it remains to be seen if that can be profitable. I doubt it. The Starlink satellites deorbit e…

Shotwell has claimed that Starlink is cash-flow-positive. They also have >5 million subscribers. ARPU is likely > $1000.

Both Starlink and Starship are >$5B programs. SpaceX has not raised nor borrowed near enough money to fund both of those programs, indicating that they've got sufficient cash flow to mostly self-fund both of them as well as pay the salaries of >13,000 employees.

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Post by happytoexplain »

_bin_ wrote: post #152
dwaltrip wrote: post #146

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Please read the entire sentence when you quote something: > That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically.

i didn't quote you that way. you said you do not think that all anti-tesla actions are justified. "actions" in this case heavily implies not picketing their HQ but the recent spate of vandalism and destruction. you didn't say you do think that all such actions are not justified. if that is the case, then we have no disagreement, and i'm glad this cleared things up.

The person you're replying to isn't me. You did misquote me in your post, and then maliciously paraphrased, which is why I didn't reply, but I just wanted to point out that the person who replied to you was a different person.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by sundaeofshock »

dgfitz wrote: post #70
TheAlchemist wrote: post #52

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That's the funny thing here. In case of Musk, if those protests work and as you say 'the jig is up', he can go from the richest man on earth to bankrupt in a space of months. He is very 'cash poor' and has pledged a lot of Tesla shares as collateral to fund his other businesses. If Tesla is priced as an automaker (shares would be in the ±10-20$), Musk will be bankrupt.

> Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?

Elon Musk’s power is based on his wealth. A bankrupt Elon Musk will no longer be able to influence politics in several nations. He won’t be able to buy the US presidency. He won’t be able to threaten primaries against US representatives. He’d lose Twitter. He’d most likely no longer be running the so-called Doge.

So yes, we would very much win and there are a lot of people who care.

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Post by gainda »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #157
EnergyAmy wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing around Nazi salutes is normal? Are you writing this from an evil mirror universe?

You, and most who believe that, are ignoring the part where he said something like, "My heart goes out to you!" as he threw his hand from his heart out to the people in the crowd.

You're already misremembering what actually happened - that he says that after two vigorous salutes.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by [deleted] »

rco8786 wrote: post #71
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #45

The Tesla, last I read about and test drove one, is a great car. Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? The phrase "shooting oneself in the foot" comes to mind. It makes no sense whatsoever.

> The phrase "shooting oneself in the foot" comes to mind. It should come to mind for elon, not car buyers. He built a car company based on environmentalism that naturally appealed to people with environmental concerns and then pivoted to publicly insulting and denigrating those exact people. It's not even really political. Elon isn't the first CEO to hold political values that differ from a majority of the company's…

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by rco8786 »

milesrout wrote: post #93
kerkeslager wrote: post #64

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Because some of us don't want our money to go to Nazism. That's not crazy, it's basic ethical behavior.

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> Musk, who is called one because... he is against illegal immigration?

Why are folks so incapable of making an argument in good faith on this subject? Like, even if you give elon the most benefit of the most doubt you can muster and you manage to handwave away the multiple sig heils and nazi sympathetic tweets as just some sort of quirky behavior and not at all related to nazism - you have to realize that not everyone does.

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