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This is why people used to be paid time-and-a-half or even double-time for being on call. Ask your union to demand that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-and-a-half
For nurses on-call is a tiny amount - $3/hr and then you get 1.5x if you actually get called in
Breaking Up with On-Call
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While you will find some extreme examples that could go that far, unions don't generally do that. Organisations that fight unions however do like to bring up that example, so... you've been had with anti union propaganda.
So my coworker who was a UAW member who told me stories about sleeping on the roof, and being reprimanded for moving a desk to retrieve a pen...was trying to dupe me?
I don't know how much more clear I could make it to you.
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#163https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/en/european-industrial-relat...
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#164One big problem is that they tend not to make any attempt to ensure that the on-call rotations are equitable across teams. You might need to be on call one week out of 4 or one week out of 20. At review time, this matters. Since you're typically not getting paid for the on call work or having it factor into your performance review, you're actually incentivized to snooze alerts and kick the can down the road until after your rotation or to join another team with lower rates of on call incidents.
Ironically, if you're spending 25% or your time on call and actually being diligent about the role, you're more likely to be adept with the typically hodgepodge collection of tools that you need to use to diagnose and address problems and will be better able to handle incidents than if you only ever use those tools once every 5 months.
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#165For me the worst thing about being on-call is not the actual work outside business hours (it’s usually not much), but the potential work: if something happens I need to jump into my laptop within X minutes (changes from company to company, but it’s usually within 10 minutes). This means: I cannot go for a run, I cannot go to the movies, I cannot go for a dinner with family, I cannot even go shopping (shopping mall is…
I used to do 3hours rides with my bicycle and go to dinner or social events with a gpd pocket 2 in a small bag.
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That's more or less what my team does. It works well. At least much better than saying you can't for for a swim at all.
I guess to me that seems worse because that’d effectively double the number of off-hours accountability per teammate. Not only do you need to be first on call for your primary hours, therefore severely restricting the quality of your “free time” but now you ALSO have to be secondary on call for that irresponsible coworker that goes afk without properly communicating for 2 hours, dipping twice into your actual free ti…
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People that have been interned in this or one of the other camps, or their descendants. It’s one generation ago, people born and raised in camps are still alive. George Takeo for example was born in one of the segregation camps. It’s a low stakes change. Nobody assumes harmful intentions from the author - I would not have recognized the picture either. But now that it’s been pointed out that it’s from a site where pe…
>Nobody assumes harmful intentions from the author Then what's the issue or purpose? Other than satisfying or inflating some own moral selfimage? That kind of social dynamic appears to be what this kind of things is about most of the time as opposed to preventing mental harm or stopping such issues from (re)occurring. >Knowing this, and insisting on keeping the images is now willfully associating with harmful behavio…
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That's more or less what my team does. It works well. At least much better than saying you can't for for a swim at all.
I guess to me that seems worse because that’d effectively double the number of off-hours accountability per teammate. Not only do you need to be first on call for your primary hours, therefore severely restricting the quality of your “free time” but now you ALSO have to be secondary on call for that irresponsible coworker that goes afk without properly communicating for 2 hours, dipping twice into your actual free ti…
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#169Fair deal, I'd say. Only problem is that most of the applications are from vendors, so getting problems fixed is an ordeal.
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#170I was at the tender age of 21, and a mere contractor at my first job. I recall being paid hourly, but never filling a time card. I had just been promoted to a systems admin role, after demonstrating prowess with coding and system configuration, and also the actual qualified admin had quit. One of my projects involved a rewrite of server code for efficiency as our /etc/passwd balooned to thousands of users, and too ma…
> So my mother said that our household policy would henceforth be: "if something explodes out there, nobody answers the phone!" So if you had family that needed your immediate help, they would not receive it? That's indeed a perverse incentive.
The central controversy of on-call duty is that it leaves the household and family short-staffed, contributing to burnout and "workaholism". We were accustomed to Dad being at work M-F, 9-5, and being available and supporting us at all other times.
While a boiler explosion is certainly exceptional circumstances, it can be the "camel's nose in the tent" and eventually, Dad is potentially driving up there every Saturday night that a lab worker spilled 1 gram of mercury. Then he's not eating dinner with us, resting, mowing the lawn, helping Mom to shop or do errands.
I'm trying to recall any times Dad responded to a family emergency by leaving work, but it was nearly never necessary, since preparedness and response plans defined his career.