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Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

kotaKat wrote: post #19
permanent wrote: post #3

This is amazing, yet silly to state "Up to 23x faster performance [4]" [4] against, 1.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based MacBook Air

As someone that migrated to the M1 Macbook Air from a Mid-2014 Macbook Pro... the Intel customers are still the ones they're trying to target, amusingly. If they'd just give me onboard mobile connectivity, I'd upgrade to the next Air sooner, otherwise this thing will run until it dies... and maybe some day they'll start comparing performance against their original M1.

I think that was around the time when macbooks were "fast enough", especially since that was when SSDs became the default. I remember I got my first macbook around 2011/12 and at the time doing your own upgrade of memory and replacing the hard drive with an SSD was a pretty popular DIY upgrade (N=1).

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by LtWorf »

p_ing wrote: post #120
permanent wrote: post #3

This is amazing, yet silly to state "Up to 23x faster performance [4]" [4] against, 1.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based MacBook Air

Everyone who has been around since at least the Snail ads should be used to Apple's fluff and promptly ignoring it until benchmarks are released.

As I said in another comment, probably the benchmark is done just using some hardware instruction that didn't exist on those models and gets compiled to several instructions (possibly by a very very old compiler, while we're at it) vs something handwritten in assembly for the purpose of one specific benchmark.

Does this mean it's 23x faster for normal workloads? Nah.

Apple when they were pumping clang were also claiming that binaries produced with clang were much faster than those made with gcc. This was because they used a 15 years old version of gcc that didn't have any vector instructions (because they didn't exist at the time) and benchmarking using some code that was solely doing vector stuff.

In short, they don't lie, but it's a lie :D

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by klausa »

s_dev wrote: post #119
ada1981 wrote: post #81

Why are we back to MagSafe? I liked just having the usb-c on my air.

You can charge with both. The USB-C stuff is due to EU regulations and MagSafe because people love it as a charging cable type.

USB-C on Macs is literally 10 years old this year, this has nothing to do with EU.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by latexr »

pqtyw wrote: post #111
dijit wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear: 1) Apple releases incremental upgrades! Why won't they make huge strides every year so I can upgrade! 2) People who upgrade every year are sheeps! 3) Apple support devices for longer than Android, that's nice! (yes, not Windows though). 4) God, why do their benchmarks compare devices that are 3-5y old?! Apple is marketing to people who have devices that are old, because they are old. "Hey, you noticed th…

> Apple is marketing to people who have devices that are old, because they are old. It still makes claims like that arbitrary and meaningless. What does "23x faster" even mean, it's not like there are that many people who are upgrading from an Intel MBA yet are also fulltime Cinebench/etc. testers. > It's fair to compare Well yes. It's reasonably fair (realistically its not like any of those people this is targeted a…

> What does "23x faster" even mean

The measurements are in the linked footnote, they tested the “Super Resolution” upscaling feature of Pixelmator Pro.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

kubb wrote: post #8

It’s not enough of an upgrade from my M2 Air. I’m happy to wait for the next generations. But I wouldn’t consider any other personal laptop than this one.

I'm in the same boat and trying to suss out how much of a jump it'd be to the M4s, or if it's worth jumping to the pro.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by noxepy »

Everything is cool although it's too bad they had changed the Air design. I have MBA M1 and I have to admit I'm a big fan of that design.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by transcriptase »

bartvk wrote: post #146
kotaKat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone that migrated to the M1 Macbook Air from a Mid-2014 Macbook Pro... the Intel customers are still the ones they're trying to target, amusingly. If they'd just give me onboard mobile connectivity, I'd upgrade to the next Air sooner, otherwise this thing will run until it dies... and maybe some day they'll start comparing performance against their original M1.

Mid-2014 MBP, that's amazing. Did you buy it new? And actually used it since 2014?

Not who you replied to but I’m on a Mid-2014 15 inch MBP retina, bought new and used nearly every day since and taken on dozens of trips.

I had the battery replaced, the tab key replaced, and the screen refinished (anti-glare coating removed) for about $240 a couple years ago and aside from the fact it can’t be updated beyond Big Sur 11.7.10 I have no issues.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by kotaKat »

bartvk wrote: post #146
kotaKat wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone that migrated to the M1 Macbook Air from a Mid-2014 Macbook Pro... the Intel customers are still the ones they're trying to target, amusingly. If they'd just give me onboard mobile connectivity, I'd upgrade to the next Air sooner, otherwise this thing will run until it dies... and maybe some day they'll start comparing performance against their original M1.

Mid-2014 MBP, that's amazing. Did you buy it new? And actually used it since 2014?

Bought new since 2014, used all the way to launchday M1.

I was riding the 'service battery' indicator all the way to the bloody end. 1148 cycles, max capacity 3735 mAh.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by alabastervlog »

bartvk wrote: post #148
whstl wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Intel customers are still the ones they're trying to target Definitely. I have ZERO rational reasons to upgrade from my lowest-spec first-gen Air M1. I use it everyday and speed and battery life are still way more than I need.

I had someone tell me "an Air? You're a developer, you need a Pro" and I thought to myself, well this Air is frankly amazing.

Literally the only material difference between using my M1 Air and my work M1 Pro is the somewhat-better port selection on the Pro. Though even that doesn't have the single-most-useful port it could (aside from USB-C): a USB-A port.
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