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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by logicchains »

duxup wrote: post #65

Shameful day for America where the President and VP two on one berate a visiting leader (guest even) who is fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime.

>fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime

He sent hundreds of thousands of his own people into a meat grinder to fight for the privilege of being ruled by his corrupt government (recognised as one of the most corrupt governments in Europe) instead of a different corrupt government, with his thugs literally going door-to-door dragging unwilling youths off to die. The average Ukrainian wasn't any better off under Ukrainian government than under Russian government, and they'd certainly be much better off alive than dead.

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Post by tootie »

sympil wrote: post #52

What is most interesting is the presence of Vance and that he started the argument. Yesterday he was with Trump and the British PM and accused the UK of being against free speech. I don’t recall VPs being active in such meetings before now. It says a lot that Vance is taking such a prominent role in areas that VPs traditionally do not publicly venture in.

Marco Rubio was there with an expression like his soul had left his body.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by temporallobe »

I am an independent and Trump supporter. I generally like his shows of strength, but I didn’t like the confrontational nature of this exchange. It lacked diplomacy and respect. Trump yelling things like “you’re gambling with World War 3” was inappropriate and aggressive, especially considering he was a guest. This caused an unprecedented tension between wrokd leaders on live TV and in my opinion has the potential to spiral out of control.

To quote Dean Acheson from Thirteen Days, “Hopefully cooler heads will prevail before we reach the next step.”

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Post by burntalmonds »

legitster wrote: post #36

If you watch the video of the exchange, it was a complete setup. Zelensky was being very diplomatic when they started attacking him. Vance literally said he didn't need to visit Ukraine to see for himself because he "had seen videos". Zelensky was brought here specifically to be publicly humiliated on live TV. In 80 years, if we still have history books, this moment will be in them.

The only humiliation that I saw was that of the United States by Trump's conduct. I was amazed at how calm Zelensky remained during that meeting.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by donmcronald »

goshx wrote: post #78

Can we take the opportunity to discuss why Trump's administration is so desperately going after rare earth minerals? Greenland, Canada, Ukraine... Is it only about chips and AI for economic reasons or is there more involved like, an army of robots or something to control everything?

I would like to know this too.

I have no idea, so this is pure speculation, but as charge cycles for batteries keep increasing I'm guessing they'll become more valuable, especially if they're made from finite resources. Consider a scenario where you never own the battery and have to lease it forever.

The opposite side would be choking off the supply of the rare minerals needed to make batteries with the intent of making it more difficult to switch to renewable energy. You'd need all of them though and I just don't see them improving their position in Canada.

Or it could be as simple as "gold is shiny" and Trump wants them because he's heard they're valuable.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by Trasmatta »

duxup wrote: post #65

Shameful day for America where the President and VP two on one berate a visiting leader (guest even) who is fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime.

Every day I feel more ashamed of my country. Especially because nothing that's happened since Trump returned to office is a surprise (including this): apparently the median US voter wanted this.

Horrible. I feel so badly for the Ukrainian people.

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