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Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by wmf »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #145
zokier wrote: post #114

The hardware itself seems like it will be welcome in the market. But I find AMD GPU launches so frustrating, the branding is all over the place and it feels like there is never any consistent generational series. Instead you get these seemingly random individual product launches that slot somewhere in the market, but you never know what comes next. In comparison nVidia has had pretty consistent naming since 200 serie…

You forgot a couple too, eg. The Radeon VII which is really just a RX Vega variant made on TSMC rather than Samsung nodes but has entirely new branding for that model that doesn't mention Vega in the name. The Radeon R9 Fury, Fury X, R9 Nano and Radeon Pro Duo which are really just 300 series but all of those have entirely new branding just for those models that don't mention the 300 series convention in their names.…

Vega II = VII = Radeon VII

It's like a really dumb Easter egg.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by wmf »

qwertox wrote: post #149
packetlost wrote: post #85

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This card is marketed to consumers, not AI developers. Most people who will buy these cards don't even know what ROCm is. Edit: it just doesn't matter for launch day. It'll likely be supported eventually.

> not AI developers Yet their slides show INT8 and INT8 with Sparsity performance improvements. As well as "Supercharged AI Performance".

Those features are probably used by FSR4. The 9070 isn't very attractive for LLMs though.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

tomnipotent wrote: post #121
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #99

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Personally, I've seen way more Nvidia specific issues in the mpv bug tracker than AMD. CUDA vs ROCm (Rusticl?) is probably another story, though.

> I've seen way more Nvidia specific issues in the mpv bug tracker than AMD Could that maybe be because Nvidia now has almost an order of magnitude more customers? I think they closed 2024 with 90% market share.

mpv is still very much Linux majority and AMD is (relatively) more popular on that platform, I'd wager.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by kcb »

wmf wrote: post #161
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot a couple too, eg. The Radeon VII which is really just a RX Vega variant made on TSMC rather than Samsung nodes but has entirely new branding for that model that doesn't mention Vega in the name. The Radeon R9 Fury, Fury X, R9 Nano and Radeon Pro Duo which are really just 300 series but all of those have entirely new branding just for those models that don't mention the 300 series convention in their names.…

Vega II = VII = Radeon VII It's like a really dumb Easter egg.

Pretty sure the primary reason for the name was because it was moved to 7nm.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by OmarAssadi »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #101
zamalek wrote: post #78

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I helped a friend install Linux last year; they had an NVIDIA card, aaaand they had problems. Both in X and Wayland. I'm was on a 6000 series at the time and it worked great, as you know. I am on a 7000 series now, and it's as smooth as ice. AMD is the way to go for Linux. There's that new NVIDIA driver cooking, but I'm not sure what the status is on it. BTW, even Ryzen 3 is a substantial upgrade over 1. Any X3D proc…

> I applaud you for avoiding latest-and-greatest syndrome, but even upgrading to an older CPU generation would be a significant boost. Being out of a job for a while makes me very loathe to upgrade hardware that still works OK. That 1800X still does what I want it to do, and does it 'fast enough', though how far into the future that will last is unclear. Cyberpunk 2077 being the most demanding game that I've played p…

I feel that.

It's difficult to justify any new hardware until I'm in a better place; while it'd be nice, I'm not suffering enough to /need/ a new system.

Until the beginning of 2020, during university, I was still on a 3930K from launch-day in ~2011 and GTX 680. Honestly, I'm not sure I would've bothered if it weren't also for the fact that I wanted to be able to test AVX2 implementations of some of my code without relying on an emulator or someone else's machine every time.

It probably helped that I mostly only care about Source games and RuneScape. But I haven't really played anything since my ex-girlfriend and I broke up in ~2022.

I took his RX 480 to have a display-out and gave him my 2070 Super so it wouldn't go to waste.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by Aurornis »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #34
Aurornis wrote: post #22

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It’s a $600 card with 16GB of RAM. That’s a good deal.

It does seem like there is room for an $700-800 9070AI with 32 gb vram.

If you created a 32GB card that was great at AI workloads and cheap, it doesn't matter what you set the MSRP to. Street price would rise to the same level as other 32GB cards with similar performance.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by Aurornis »

imtringued wrote: post #43
PedroBatista wrote: post #9

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These are gaming cards. If you think AMD is lacking here with just 16GB I can only assume you never bought NVIDIA gaming cards in the last 10 years.

You can buy used nvidia tesla p40 with 24GB from 2016 and unlike AMD, they still have CUDA support. The only thing they are missing is support for the latest data types like fp8.

> You can buy used nvidia tesla p40 with 24GB from 2016

Then do that instead if it fits your workload?

There's more to a video card than the amount of RAM, though.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by EndShell »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #157
EndShell wrote: post #92

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I use a 6800XT with Debian 12. As long as you have the `non-free-firmware` repo enabled in Debian 12 (it is by default), AMD cards should just work. I've played quite a few games on Linux. Performance is still better on Windows though.

I'm using Debian testing with a RX7600XT . Performance it's the same or better on Linux. Helps a lot that the OS isn't a spam/spyware suite.

That isn’t my experience at all. e.g Helldivers 2 I have to lower to medium setting, Black Myth Wukong I have to run at lower settings than Windows. This is with Debian Testing.

It isn’t just I that have observed this. I have a friend using Arch and he noticed there is a higher input latency and worse performance.

I’ve also noticed some weird mouse behaviour in Doom Eternal.

It is enough of a difference that I just reboot into Windows now to play games.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by qwertox »

wmf wrote: post #159
qwertox wrote: post #147

So Framework launches with Ryzen AI Max+ 395 with Radeon 8060S Graphics which has RDNA 3.5. RDNA 4 has a 2x performance gain over 3.5 (4x with Sparsity) at FP16. It just makes it all harder (the picking and choosing). Let's see what Project DIGITS brings once it launches.

One has 16 GB VRAM and one has 96 GB. It's not really comparable.

The high-end Framework has 128GB, just like Project DIGITS. VRAM size has always been the problem, so I'm not comparing these APU SBCs to PCIe GPUs.

The comment was more about the timing of the announcements. Maybe Framework should have waited a year and then use an RDNA 4-based APU, developed and marketed in close coordination with AMD. The competitors are Apple and Nvidia, where both build their own chips and get to design their entire systems.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by bryanlarsen »

zokier wrote: post #114

The hardware itself seems like it will be welcome in the market. But I find AMD GPU launches so frustrating, the branding is all over the place and it feels like there is never any consistent generational series. Instead you get these seemingly random individual product launches that slot somewhere in the market, but you never know what comes next. In comparison nVidia has had pretty consistent naming since 200 serie…

In this release, AMD has aligned with nVidia naming. It feels like an acknowledgement they've screwed this up and are giving up. So it feels like a genuine improvement. Hopefully they maintain this alignment, but I'm sure they won't.
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