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Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by ninetyninenine »

relistan wrote: post #159
ninetyninenine wrote: post #154

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for that to happen randomly is unlikely. And a dead dog too.

The dog that died was locked up and probably died without water. The two that weren’t locked up survived. It’s likely she was in some kind of danger and he had a heart attack trying to deal with it. He was found in the mud room by the door and she was in the bathroom with an open bottle of pills spilled.

Unlikely. The reasoning all makes sense except for the part about him trying to deal with her danger I don’t see anyone mentioning evidence of that.

But it’s unlikely for so many things to converge like this.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by Clubber »

Maxatar wrote: post #109
Clubber wrote: post #92

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>“The doctor advised me that my heart wasn’t in the kind of shape that I should be putting it under any stress,” he added. >He maintained his love for acting and missed it but the business had become too stressful for him. Sounds like modern dev work.

This is a take you'd only hear on a site like Hacker News. Software development consistently ranks among the least stressful jobs you can get and it's really out of touch to compare this profession to genuinely stressful jobs. Looking over surveys of most stressful jobs, it looks like the common theme are those that deal directly with people like customer service, sales, nursing/health care, or working in physically…

Did you miss the part where a multi-decade, A-list actor with millions of dollars who can call his own shots was the one saying that? It's not the work, it's the constant financial shenanigans and horse whipping from the executives.

I'd take earning a million dollars for 3 months of work and then taking the rest of the year off over what I have to put up with. Constant 24/7 unpaid support, having to work long hours because the company decided to do layoffs, having to work long hours because someone in sales promised the world for his commission that I don't see a dime of. Having to fix work of bad hires because said hire was related to the boss. Dealing with very strict government regulations that change every few years. Having to implement an absolutely horrible idea in a dead language because some boss had a bright idea. Dealing with hacker-kiddies constantly trying to compromise the system. Having to constantly learn the latest fad abstraction, on my own dime and time, that will only be relevant for a few years. Have to fix massive data issues because some executive decided to read the first chapter in a SQL book run a query in production? Having to deal with unrealistic deadlines and half ass specs. Having to deal with whatever scrum implementation some nitwit who took one online course came up with. Getting a couple weeks or three off every year, including sick days, and having to practically beg for it, and still getting calls anyway. Talk about being out of touch. What exactly do you think programmers do all day, write "Hello World," in every language ever invented?

Do you think Gene Hackman ever had to sit in a one-on-one meeting with is boss where the boss asked him to rank himself on various things, from 1-5? Getdafuqouttahere.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by relistan »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #161
relistan wrote: post #159

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The dog that died was locked up and probably died without water. The two that weren’t locked up survived. It’s likely she was in some kind of danger and he had a heart attack trying to deal with it. He was found in the mud room by the door and she was in the bathroom with an open bottle of pills spilled.

Unlikely. The reasoning all makes sense except for the part about him trying to deal with her danger I don’t see anyone mentioning evidence of that. But it’s unlikely for so many things to converge like this.

It’s not so many things. It’s two people who died, one of whom was 95 and had a heart condition. With the people dead, the locked up dog died. But people like a good conspiracy.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by poulsbohemian »

vages wrote: post #117
poulsbohemian wrote: post #111

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Then consider yourself really lucky because I ended up in the hospital back in 2010 from the stress. Yes I hear there are lovely places with fat salaries, massages, and free lunches, but that's not the majority of software development or tech work.

Saying that a profession is less stressful than others, doesn’t imply it’s stress free. Most professions have a much higher risk of physical violence, for instance.

This is fair, but I feel like HN is often an echo chamber of people who have a common experience that I'm not sure is representative of industry or society writ large.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by ninetyninenine »

relistan wrote: post #163
ninetyninenine wrote: post #161

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Unlikely. The reasoning all makes sense except for the part about him trying to deal with her danger I don’t see anyone mentioning evidence of that. But it’s unlikely for so many things to converge like this.

It’s not so many things. It’s two people who died, one of whom was 95 and had a heart condition. With the people dead, the locked up dog died. But people like a good conspiracy.

If 3 people won the lottery and they all lived in the same place. By probability alone you know something is up. It's not loving a conspiracy it's in actuality knowing reality and knowing how reality works.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by hinkley »

genewitch wrote: post #156
hinkley wrote: post #141

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Battery powered units are literal lifesavers during a blackout, particularly in winter.

My house has hard wired smoke detectors and they all have batteries and all get to chirping on their schedule every 3 years or so. I'd be willing to bet the NEC says "must be able to perform without mains power" for any hard wired setup.

The battery only CO monitors by Kidde, if I recall correctly, are cheaper than the price of the combined smoke/CO detector minus the price of a Kidde smoke detector. I recently bought a combined unit (ironically because I had a second wireless unit I didn’t recall purchasing that was complaining about low battery near one of the wired units and could not figure out why it was chirping an undocumented signal) and almost put it back on the shelf when I saw the price.

By all means put one in your house but I think it’s a racket to have all four detectors in your house also be carbon monoxide monitors when you can just put a battery unit at the far end of the house from the combined one.

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Post by sparky_z »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #165
relistan wrote: post #163

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It’s not so many things. It’s two people who died, one of whom was 95 and had a heart condition. With the people dead, the locked up dog died. But people like a good conspiracy.

If 3 people won the lottery and they all lived in the same place. By probability alone you know something is up. It's not loving a conspiracy it's in actuality knowing reality and knowing how reality works.

Lottery wins are supposed to be uncorrelated events. So yes, three winners in the same household means some sort of funny business is likely going on that requires explanation. Something needs to explain the correlation.

Here, there's plenty of possible explanations for why their deaths would be correlated. Especially the dog. If you lock a dog in a place for two weeks, it inevitable that it will be either dead or in serious medical distress when you come back. The one follows logically and tragically from the other. It doesn't change anything about the probability of the initiating event.

If somebody driving a car has a heart attack, and the car crashes into a tree also killing the passenger, you don't say: "what are the chances that Person A would have a heart attack at the exact same time that the Person B was in car accident? That's such an unlikely coincidence. There must be something else going on here."

Analyzing all events as statistically independent, even in situations where they clearly aren't is the opposite of "actuality knowing reality and knowing how reality works". On the contrary, it's one of the most common ways for a statistical analysis to go wrong.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by blooalien »

derkster wrote: post #158
blooalien wrote: post #139

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It 100% depends upon who you work for, and what you're hired to do, and how that work is performed. I've worked jobs at both ends of the "stress scale" and most everywhere in-between, and it mostly comes down to the boss bein' the main decider if it's stressful or not to work there. A good boss can turn even the most stressful tasks into a fun challenge that everyone's on-board with solving. A bad boss can make even…

I just wanted to bring up the stress caused by "passive" bosses, who attempt to be everyones buddy, avoiding even the faintest whiff of having to actually "manage" employees. Especially employees unable to integrate themselves, after months, into a workflow wothout causing an equal amount of work for others to decipher and clean up. I'm not bitter, you're bitter! :)

My favorite bosses jumped in on a fairly regular basis and worked alongside their teams, and knew their business well enough to actually be useful and helpful in that regard. They also treated their employees like actual fellow human beings, and when they profited, so did their employees, so it was kinda all-around win-win scenarios for everyone involved. Sadly, those bosses were a bit of a rarity. :(

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by ninetyninenine »

sparky_z wrote: post #167
ninetyninenine wrote: post #165

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If 3 people won the lottery and they all lived in the same place. By probability alone you know something is up. It's not loving a conspiracy it's in actuality knowing reality and knowing how reality works.

Lottery wins are supposed to be uncorrelated events. So yes, three winners in the same household means some sort of funny business is likely going on that requires explanation. Something needs to explain the correlation. Here, there's plenty of possible explanations for why their deaths would be correlated. Especially the dog. If you lock a dog in a place for two weeks, it inevitable that it will be either dead or in…

Right but this is two people in different sections of the house. Evidence shows zero correlation.

The dog dying could be explained but from what I know dogs end up eating the owners.

Either way there isn’t any evidence for correlation only made up stories.

Re: Gene Hackman has died

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Post by rrauenza »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #169
sparky_z wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lottery wins are supposed to be uncorrelated events. So yes, three winners in the same household means some sort of funny business is likely going on that requires explanation. Something needs to explain the correlation. Here, there's plenty of possible explanations for why their deaths would be correlated. Especially the dog. If you lock a dog in a place for two weeks, it inevitable that it will be either dead or in…

Right but this is two people in different sections of the house. Evidence shows zero correlation. The dog dying could be explained but from what I know dogs end up eating the owners. Either way there isn’t any evidence for correlation only made up stories.

I saw a reference the dog was locked in its “crate”.
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