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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by acka »

jpdus wrote: post #59

My comment from the original submission [1]: --- As someone who is in general skeptical of programs like this (and an European) there are 2 remarkable / timely things about this: - This project doesn't just allocate money to universities or one large company, but includes top research institutions as well as startups and GPU time on supercomputing clusters. The participants are very well connected (e.g. also supporte…

What about the very similar sounding EuroLLM[1] project mentioned elsewhere[0] in the comments? If that is indeed a different project, why not pool resources? EuroLLM has already delivered some models, they are up on Hugging Face[2][3].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43119913

[1] https://sites.google.com/view/eurollm

[2] https://huggingface.co/utter-project/EuroLLM-9B

[3] https://huggingface.co/utter-project/EuroLLM-1.7B

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by [deleted] »

cess11 wrote: post #106
Legend2440 wrote: post #74

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OpenAI has a real, groundbreaking product. This has... a statement of intent to try to copy that product. Not remotely the same.

This is about industrial research, not about some product. Members of the project have previously produced both niche and general models, but without the arrogance and bluster of usian corporate subcultures.

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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by mardifoufs »

itcrowd wrote: post #135

Honestly, the cynicism in the comments here is extremely disappointing. EU citizens badly need AI systems that are open and privacy-respecting. Getting together this rather large coalition of experts with quite some money and (importantly) access to compute power is a nice first step. Let them play around, train some models, fail-and-get-up-again, start over, write papers and hopefully get some useful output. Remembe…

There are tons of open LLMs, if anything it's weird to see euro nationalists fawn at the mouth whenever something calls itself European. Like what does it do better than any other open source LLM?

And you'd see the same reaction if a "OpenMurica" LLM would be announced. It's just weird and cringy to attach patriotism to something like this

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by anonymousDan »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #92
anonymousDan wrote: post #52

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In what way? What exactly has the US achieved?

Uhhm.. they lead in pretty much everything especially tech related? You redditors are unbearable.

I mean in relation to the 'current political events' - which I presume to mean Russia/Ukraine negotiations. You clown.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by bee_rider »

aubanel wrote: post #160
bee_rider wrote: post #108

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Thank goodness we have startup culture in the US, instead we can have “looks bad, doesn’t work, but Microsoft bought it so…”

Microsoft is certainly much better at judging the value of a software than any european administration.

I dunno, every software product I use in the US has been getting worse over time. Even if Europe is doing nothing, at least they aren’t accelerating in the negative direction.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by cyberax »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #93
cyberax wrote: post #26

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Europe is moving at the speed of bureaucracy. It's slow, but inexorable. And honestly, people don't _want_ the European bureaucracy to move fast. Case in point: the USA.

> , people don't _want_ the European bureaucracy to move fast. I'm a german and yes i would absolutely want it to move faster. And I guess you are an american?

Ethnically Russian. And the Russian government is (and I'm not joking) quite effective and agile.

You can guess why I prefer a bit more ...gradual... style of governing.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by picafrost »

simion314 wrote: post #35
picafrost wrote: post #14

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This is classic EU. An announcement of an effort to collect collaborators to discuss doing something that they might do in the future.

>This is classic EU. An announcement of an effort to collect collaborators to discuss doing something that they might do in the future. It should be done in secret? How did they manage to create CERN? maybe there was no reddit like people commenting back then?

> It should be done in secret?

No?

> How did they manage to create CERN?

I have no clue. It appears that was 70 years ago.

> maybe there was no reddit like people commenting back then?

Huh?

The EU is often criticized for its lack of competitiveness due to its highly regulated environment, low investment numbers, risk aversion, and slow moving bureaucracy. This announcement hits all of these points. I am European as well, and it just makes me sad? It is more of the same. This doesn't look like a serious effort to propel Europe to the cutting-edge or even the conversation. It's just enough to say we're doing something, without a high risk of calling it a failure if nothing ends up being delivered.

Europe doesn't lack talent or initiative. If you look at the top AI research institutions out there, a great many of them are composed of researchers who originated from Europe. What is the US offering them that Europe is not? That is many things, none of which are are actively being addressed in the EU. There's a high likelihood that academic beneficiaries of these funds will end up in the US due to the absurd salaries and cutting edge positions.

I prefer the regulated EU environment. I value my privacy and think the EU is doing the right, long-term thing. I don't mind the reduced salaries here -- I worked in the US for years but returned back to Europe because I share its values. But there's no point in pretending the EU will be a serious contender in this environment.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by simion314 »

pmontra wrote: post #144
forty wrote: post #124

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Collaboration brought us peace. Peace is underrated these days. (NB: I mean the good kind of collaboration of course, on science and industry - it's a loaded word in French at least)

I don't agree with that. We had two powers dividing Europe in two, placing their own armies all over the place and doinglg their best to convince the other party that the world would be destroyed if it dared to attack. That was what brought us peace. Collaboration in the form of the various European international organizations was a consequence. Making another war in Europe was basically impossible. We had one in Yug…

The idea is that EU countries do not see themselves at rivals, this is very different then our entire history where everyone had an issue with their neighbors (there are exceptions of neighbors not having any conflicts). Most educated Europeans are now considering the entire EU as a similar culture and not want to start a fight to kill each other for some historical land, the exception are the uneducated or just low IQ people that fall for extreme nationalists that push for "Make our country a great empire again"

Your point is about the Cold War, nuclear weapons prevented nuclear alliances to attack each other, it did not prevent say two NATO non nuclear members to start conflicts.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by simion314 »

mmaunder wrote: post #156
simion314 wrote: post #112

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So tell us how NASA is doing this decades long plans, they should keep them secret? Should HNers vote on what NASA should do ?

See Artemis for an answer to how NASA is doing. They’re in trouble. Post Apollo they became very ineffective at big space projects. I say that with respect as an aviator who has benefited much from their past and ongoing work.

I guess the main point is that NASA is forced to have contracts to verious USA states because of politics, but you have robots on Mars, space probes outside the Solar System, and other ambitious plans that are announced and discussed not revealed in a PR conference where the CEO removes a blanket and shows you the latest robot and fanboys chear.

I understand MAGA and Elon fanboys are attacking NASA and claim that master Elon can do it better so the government should give Elon all the money, no auctions or checks to be done. I mean all Elon promises were fulfilled on time and on budget , right ?

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by amarcheschi »

aubanel wrote: post #160
bee_rider wrote: post #108

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Thank goodness we have startup culture in the US, instead we can have “looks bad, doesn’t work, but Microsoft bought it so…”

Microsoft is certainly much better at judging the value of a software than any european administration.

Of all the software companies, Microsoft really makes me feel the ick every time I have to interact with their suite. I started using again teams after months and I didn't remember it was so bad, it's like a reverse course on ux
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