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Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Beyond illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted content, the article also describes how Meta staff seemingly lied about it in depositions (including, potentially, Mark Zuckerberg himself).

Huh, a big tech CEO lied to us?

Flippant response I know, but too many people worship at the alter of the job creater and believe these folks are moral upstanding citizens

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post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

Something to understand about capitalist competition (also in politics) is that it's a war. Not one with guns and bombs, but more like a cold war, with espionage and hacking and just generally doing anything you can to gain an advantage without bringing negative consequences on yourself. The limit is what you can actually get away with, not what the rules say you can get away with, and the system aggressively selects…

> Something to understand about capitalist competition (also in politics) is that it's a war.

Turns out there are 2 simultaneous wars there. One where companies and individuals compete ruthlessly.

And another one where if non profit associations of individuals form, guns come out.

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post #50

Good, we know it. Nothing will happen, because nothing happens to billionaires and their companies. Musk is proving it every day now.

This is why we need to abolish the government. If the government doesn't have any power, they can't do preferential treatment to their cronies. Enough with laws for thee but not for me!

I was having difficulty figuring out if this was parody or not. But I guess the username checks out.

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Before I decided my opinion on this I need to know their ratio.

Article states: Meta also allegedly modified settings "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur"

Big tech taking and not giving back, where have I heard this before?

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

" If you plug a laptop into a closet at MIT to download some scientific papers you forfeit your life." This is exactly what I immediately thought while reading the article. It almost feels like the legal system only punishes general public, while most of these guys are above it.

Airbnb and Uber have showed us that laws matter only to the extent that the political will to enforce them exists. Throw enough lawyers and lobbying money at the problem and the laws can simply be re-written to be friendlier to your business model.

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post #123

Libgen is a civilizational project that should be endorsed, not prosecuted. I hope one day people will look at it and think how stupid we were today to shun the largest collection of literary works in human history.

I think you’re overstating its importance. The internet already makes it possible to order almost any book in existence and have it arrive at your doorstep within a week or so, or often on your ebook reader instantly. And your local library probably participates in an interlibrary loan system that lets you request any book held by any library in the country for free . LibGen gives you access to a much smaller body of…

No one sells scans of older books, which are often sparsely available in obscure (often private) libraries.

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post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People criming in the past is not an excuse for companies committing crimes today. You’re excusing lawlessness. Cain killed Abel and got away with it!! I can kill someone today too!!!

But the crime is creating something new. If laws are enforced that criminalise creation, then the world will be rather static. It seems to be a consistent direction of history's arc that the people who make it easy to create and innovate get ahead.

We don’t allow indiscriminate human experimentation in medicine. We have crimes against this, and yet we still have new medicines. Sure, it won’t be as quick if we could just use humans as test subjects from the start, but that’s an unethical line. Innovation done immorally is progress that shouldn’t have been made. The ends don’t justify the means, but I’m not an ethical nihilist.

The crime is downloading and copying and distributing copyrighted materials! Not creating the LLM! Get the crime right

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We need better laws that would create a better way to do this legally whilst compensating rights holders.

I really don't think that Meta did this because the alternative would have been too onerous; they are a huge org, they could work through whatever loopholes required. They did it because it would have cost money and there will be no penalty for not paying.
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