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Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by ahakki »

Kwpolska wrote: post #109
Alex-Programs wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are very few countries with multiple equally-influential languages that don't have better alternatives for flags. It's a pain to phrase, but: There is no reason to use the Swiss flag to indicate a language. French has the French flag. German has the German flag. Etc. There are dialects, as a nuance to this, but you can solve that by e.g. using a 50/50 merge of the German and Swiss flags. Countries may have ambi…

> It's a pain to phrase, but: There is no reason to use the Swiss flag to indicate a language. French has the French flag. German has the German flag. Etc. There are dialects, as a nuance to this, but you can solve that by e.g. using a 50/50 merge of the German and Swiss flags. Okay, which flag do you use to indicate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_language — one of the four official languages of Switzerland?

Maybe this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chur

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by fsckboy »

lmm wrote: post #151
fsckboy wrote: post #140

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what I asked was to convince me that this is not about China. you have failed to convince me that this is about quebec, somalililand or palestine, those are absurd notions, so you have failed to convince me that this is not about china.

I find it entirely plausible that it's about Palestine (in the sense that that would be sufficient cause for MS to want to avoid shipping a list of countries even if there wasn't a China/Taiwan issue) given that e.g. several US states have laws that make companies ineligible for public contracts if they participate in boycotting Israel. To say nothing of wanting to make sales in Israel itself. (Of course it won't rea…

using "reddit terminology" (not that there's anything good about reddit anymore but they do have the terminology), this post is about microsoft and the flag emojis, and up and down the thread are a zillion comments all about "it's generic territorial disputes".

I try to start a subthread about perhaps an alternative idea, and I get responses that are all about the same blather that's already everywhere else. People here have no intellectual subtlety: I wouldn't bother commenting to elicit responses that are all the same thing that's already here. Try to say something different. Make a case.

(and if you know anything about the history of Microsoft and Israel, no, it's not about Palestine. Ask any Israeli on here, did Microsoft drop flag emojis because of Israeli sensitivities?)

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by sureIy »

Jotalea wrote: post #58

> Out of desperation I asked ChatGPT. It was useless as usual. This is so real.

I hold the belief that if you ask it something that nobody has documented before it just won't do it. This also and particularly applies to code.

Ask about Fibonacci? Great.

Ask about something tricky? Let's make up some APIs

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by jim-jim-jim »

lmm wrote: post #129
LAC-Tech wrote: post #105

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I want maps to show reality. Not who they *think* should be in control of Taiwan or Transnistria, but who actually is.

What does "actually in control" mean? When the IRA set up a checkpoint in Rosslea, should that have moved the border on the map? When there are disputes over uninhabited islands, do you want it to show whoever visited first? Obviously these are small examples, but the same issues apply to full-scale civil wars. You'd also be essentially legitimising the right of conquest if as soon as country A invades country B you…

> You'd also be essentially legitimising the right of conquest

Documenting reality doesn't endorse what happened. Istanbul was Constantinople. Shit happens. If I'm travelling, I'd much rather the flags and borders reflect the situation on the ground instead of making meaningless humanitarian gestures.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by neuronexmachina »

riffraff wrote: post #96
andix wrote: post #60

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Isn’t Google Maps blocked in Russia anyway? Crimea is a different story, as many countries recognize it to be in some kind of limbo and treat it as neither Russian nor Ukrainian. I think Yandex (Russian Google) removed borders completely from their maps. Also because it’s impossible to figure out where the Russian government would like them to be. Might change on a daily basis. Google maps added the „gulf of America“…

the "gulf of america" thing is Google pandering to Trump, they originally had a policy of only using the popular name in a given locale. > if a ruler announced that henceforth the Pacific Ocean would be named after her mother, we would not add that placemark unless and until the name came into common usage. https://publicpolicy.googleblog.com/2008/04/how-google-deter...

I think they mostly started with geolocation-dependent names in the early 2010s, e.g. Kashmir and Palestine.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by lmm »

fsckboy wrote: post #162
lmm wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it entirely plausible that it's about Palestine (in the sense that that would be sufficient cause for MS to want to avoid shipping a list of countries even if there wasn't a China/Taiwan issue) given that e.g. several US states have laws that make companies ineligible for public contracts if they participate in boycotting Israel. To say nothing of wanting to make sales in Israel itself. (Of course it won't rea…

using "reddit terminology" (not that there's anything good about reddit anymore but they do have the terminology), this post is about microsoft and the flag emojis, and up and down the thread are a zillion comments all about "it's generic territorial disputes". I try to start a subthread about perhaps an alternative idea, and I get responses that are all about the same blather that's already everywhere else. People h…

> I try to start a subthread about perhaps an alternative idea, and I get responses that are all about the same blather that's already everywhere else. People here have no intellectual subtlety: I wouldn't bother commenting to elicit responses that are all the same thing that's already here. Try to say something different. Make a case.

The "reddit terminology" for this is /r/iamverysmart . If everyone else understands your comment a different way from the way you intended it, maybe it's not that they're all stupid, maybe you didn't express yourself very well.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by Dylan16807 »

B-Con wrote: post #4

Presumably this is a big company problem of playing politics safely: They didn't want to take a position on the N country disputes out there by deciding which country code gets which flag and furthermore don't want to acknowledge which country politics are even disputed and so don't support the rest.

I don't think there are any meaningful disputes over multiple flags on a specific code? Having some extra non-conflicting flags doesn't disrupt anything, it just leads to some people being petty.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by Dylan16807 »

culi wrote: post #118
SllX wrote: post #113

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Depends. The Navajo Nation and Cherokee Nation both have flags to use that could theoretically be incorporated into Unicode if they didn't draw the line at National flags, but you could always draw flag representations in SVG instead. But I also think this discussion has gone so far into the theoretical it's kind of ignored a very practical point: how many languages do you need to present in your software, because yo…

> Most software isn't going beyond the top two or three recognized languages in a given UN-recognized country There are over 30 languages in India with at least a million NATIVE speakers. 7 of those are in the top 30 most spoken languages in the world

Okay. But do you think the line you quoted is incorrect?

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Post by Dylan16807 »

scrollaway wrote: post #153
troad wrote: post #125

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I had initially posted a joke reply to this, but I'll post a serious one: I care a lot more about getting necessary services to elderly, semi-literate Russian-speaking babushkas fleeing Ukraine, by giving them an obvious indicator (on e.g. a name tag) that someone can speak to them, help them, then I care about your completely absurd, concocted 'well akshuallys'.

I work in Brussels with a lot of Ukrainians — both fighters and refugees. I’ve made this a part of my day to day life since the full scale invasion. We until recently even shared an office with the Ukrainian Voices refugee committee, in fact. Seeing as you say you care about getting services to those people, let’s talk about putting your money where your keyboard is. Reach out via my profile and let me know how much…

That's a useless way to rebut their specific argument. Not a single reason in your post.

You could talk about your experience, but you're not doing that.

And the claims they made about how much they care were not extreme. "Putting their money where their keyboard is" could be accomplished with $10. Would $10 make you happy or settle anything at all?

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