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Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by sangnoir »

sedatk wrote: post #93
taberiand wrote: post #49

Why are people relying on these LLMs for historical facts? I don't care if the tool is censored if it produces useful code. I'll use other, actually reliable, sources for information on historical events.

Because searching historical sources is hard. You can ask an LLM and verify it from the source. But you can’t ask the same question to a search engine.

My high school teacher taught our class a lot about biases in historical sources, when reading a source you have to critically analyze who the author and recipient were, and their motivations. That lesson still applies in the age of LLMs as a filter of knowledge, if you ask anyone to summarize a historical event, they color it with their own subjectivity - human or model.

Anyone who tells you history is unbiased is either lying, or a propagandists standing by with a pitcher of Kool-Aid.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by taberiand »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #118
taberiand wrote: post #49

Why are people relying on these LLMs for historical facts? I don't care if the tool is censored if it produces useful code. I'll use other, actually reliable, sources for information on historical events.

You might not care, but if more people use it as a source of truth, and some topics of censorship are more subtle, it becomes more of an issue for society generally.

The solution is to educate people on how to use these tools, and identify propaganda, and use critical thinking, and generally be more aware and proactive. I'm under no illusions why this isn't the solution taken by the government.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by insane_dreamer »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #113
MyFirstSass wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment? Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake. Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own histor…

You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.

This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends).

The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by linkregister »

taberiand wrote: post #49

Why are people relying on these LLMs for historical facts? I don't care if the tool is censored if it produces useful code. I'll use other, actually reliable, sources for information on historical events.

Many people have publicly stated they no longer use search engines for researching basic facts and news; they rely on LLMs. Many of them relied on Google's "AI Summary" for their information. This poses a problem if AI summaries return inaccurate information.

Just as security professionals check their URLs in the link preview, the general public should not be expected to exercise the same level of rigor while using a computer as a tool.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by reaperducer »

throwup238 wrote: post #24

Has anyone done something similar for the American AI companies? I'm curious about how many of the topics covered in the Anarchist's Cookbook would be censored.

I'm curious about how many of the topics covered in the Anarchist's Cookbook would be censored.

I remember it being reported that the person accused of carrying out on of the more recent attacks (New Orleans, maybe?) used ChatGPT for research.

Also, "Anarchist's Cookbook?" Really? Is this 1972? We would pass that around feely on BBSes in the 1980's.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by HnUser12 »

bakugo wrote: post #140
HnUser12 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s splitting hairs. Most people refer to running locally as in running model on your hardware rather than the providing company.

Except you're not running the model locally, you're running an entirely different model that is deceptively named. You can pretend it's R1, and if it works for your purpose that's fine, but it won't perform anywhere near the same as the real model, and any tests performed on it are not representative of the real model.

That’s a good point. Thanks!

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by mileycyrusXOXO »

adeon wrote: post #76
hartator wrote: post #43

The actual R1 locally running is not censored. Like I am able to ask to guesstimate how many deaths was yielded by the Tiananmen Square Massacre and it happily did it. 556 deaths, 3000 injuries, and 40,000 people in jail.

I've run the R1 local one (the 600B one) and it does do similar refusals like in the article. Basically I observed pretty much the same things as the article in my little testing. I used "What is the status of Taiwan?" and that seemed to rather reliably trigger a canned answer. But when my prompt was literally just "Taiwan" that gave a way less propagandy answer (the think part was still empty though). I've also seen…

Is it just running on a 256gb server w/ CPU or do you have GPUs as well? I think I'm going to stand up a server tomorrow to do some testing myself

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by Springtime »

doctoboggan wrote: post #116
Springtime wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The actual R1 locally running is not censored. I'm assuming you're using the Llama distilled model, which doesn't have the censorship since the reasoning is transferred but not the safety training[1], however the main R1 model is censored but since it's too demanding for most to self host there are a lot of comments about how their locally hosted version isn't since they're using the distilled model. It's this prim…

Can you explain how the distilled models are generated? How are they related to deepseek R1? Are they significantly smarter than their non distilled versions? (llama vs llama distilled with deepseek).

My understanding of distilling is one model 'teaching' another, in this case the main R1 model is fine-tuning the open weight Llama model (and a Qwen variant also). I'm not sure of a comparative analysis of vanilla Llama though they benchmarked their distilled version to other models on their Github readme and the distilled Llama 70B model scores higher than Claude 3.5 Sonnet and o1-mini in all but one test.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by linkregister »

Varriount wrote: post #156

Could anyone explain this sentence in the article? It will matter less once models similar to R1 are reproduced without these restrictions (which will probably be in a week or so). Is this talking about training a completely different model, modifying the existing model, or something else?

Several papers have already been published that modify the DeepSeek R1 model through further optimizations. The author is speculating that open source models will continue to be published and that DeepSeek is unlikely to be the front runner indefinitely.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by [deleted] »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #94
flashman wrote: post #16

> Next up: 1,156 prompts censored by ChatGPT If published this would, to my knowledge, be the first time anyone has systematically explored which topics ChatGPT censors.

Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment? Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake. Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own histor…

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