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YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Is it sustainable, if it took millions to bootstrap? I mean I guess if it can just keep running, but the investors might not agree if they need to wait 15 years to make their money back.

What choice do they have? If they shot the enterprise down, they got nothing.

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Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Is YC better than other incubators, percentage wise?

I would imagine so. a) Almost all of the other incubators are just awful. Either they are predatory, ineptly managed or simply not well capitalised enough to offer a competitive product. b) YC is able to rest on its laurels i.e. they can/do market how well AirBnb, Stripe etc have done. And so their funnel of talent is by far the best. c) That said, YC is the worst I've ever seen it. And Garry Tan is mostly to blame a…

I might regret saying this here, if it causes a negative change, but I find that a lot of the text materials YC and startup school have retain a lot of PG-era advice and can be a goldmine of wisdom. Most of the negative influence of post-PG operation has been on the video and audio content marketing side of things (and of course, the accelerator itself). Perhaps it is just harder to have certain things come across as sincere in text format.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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They might have to prove to the IRS the share was actually worth that. Whereas if the business is bankrupt, it's obvious.

how many vc investors are in the class of people that get audited by the IRS?

If VC investors have high income, they are the class of people that get audited the most. By a lot, like 25x more likely than someone with median income.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/irs-tax-audits-trigg...

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it sustainable, if it took millions to bootstrap? I mean I guess if it can just keep running, but the investors might not agree if they need to wait 15 years to make their money back.

What choice do they have? If they shot the enterprise down, they got nothing.

I think someone else pointed this out as well, but if the business fail, they can most likely do a tax write-off.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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There are not just startups that become unicorns and startups that fold. Investors' worst nightmare is if you just make enough money to keep going, but you don't grow ("lifestyle business" as they use it is a derogatory term). That's because they prefer a sudden death where they can write down the investment and deduct their loss from taxes than an investment where they never see any money again. And then there are "…

"Investors' worst nightmare" seems very off. Most SAFE notes give you dividends that are on par with how corporations issue dividends. Assuming there is cash flow, you should be getting dividends. If the dividends are so low that you will never be reasonably paid back you can often negotiate to get out in some form. Very low cash flow only with no growth seems to be the only exception...which I'd guess would only exi…

> Very low cash flow only with no growth seems to be the only exception..

That's not an exception. That's the norm. Most start-ups fail.

They literally burn down the investors' money and that's it.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

#168

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They might have to prove to the IRS the share was actually worth that. Whereas if the business is bankrupt, it's obvious.

No - that’s true if you are trying to determine if you can write it off, but if you actually sell it back for $1, you can take the loss.

Not if the fair market value can be proven otherwise. It’s just fraud

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

#169

I personally know the founders of three YC startups that are functionally dead (raised capital, not developing anything, basically laid off everyone but the founder(s)) but are not on this list. I'd bet it's at least twice that number.

I know a similar number but they were "acquihired" to essentially return money to investors and get the founders promotions at their former companies. So an exit on paper even if it's not necessarily so in practice.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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post #93

Google spreadsheet version of this, may be somebody needs. Also, it has more data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iIu8JATRDfJ91PS_rscS...

Unfortunately the sheet seems to be not public

sorry, changed to "Anyone on the internet with the link can view" now... please check
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