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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dmix »

maxerickson wrote: post #120
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

One not particularly obscure theory is that Netanyahu was prioritizing Trump coming to power over a peace/hostage deal and now that Trump has power, Netanyahu seeks to benefit from prioritizing the hostages. Trump is claiming credit for it and probably doesn't care about the timing.

Netanyahu was simply pushing his opportunity to do what Israel hardliners have wanted to do for as long as possible (basically aggressively lash out in every direction without consequences and red lines). It was always going to need to be wrapped up, even within Israel there was strong internal pressure. Waiting until is Trump is coming in gives Israel a free golden ticket with him by timing it right and Netanyahu's careers basically over after this anyway, so he has nothing to lose by doing it earlier, absent internal revolt.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by typon »

threeseed wrote: post #156
vFunct wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Historical revisionism is supposed to happen when enough time has passed.

This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan...

This is the actual reality

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by layer8 »

optymizer wrote: post #3

How is this hacker news? From the HN guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. *If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.*

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42614703.

Really major political developments often have a thread on HN.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by wbl »

Thiez wrote: post #158
LeafItAlone wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Was the second “guys” supposed to have an adjective attached to it?

Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

They murdered 1,000 civilians in cold blood. They raped, kidnapped and sacked indiscriminately. Arab, Jew, Druze, Thai guest worker. Then they rained missiles indiscriminately on towns and had the gall to complain about getting bombed and besiged.

Let's be clear here: The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband. Hamas deliberately targets civilians and always has, murdering them in cafes, shuls, buses, community centers and hotels around the world .

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by breckenedge »

culi wrote: post #132
DrJohanson wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As the Hamas leadership pointed out, this objective failed. Israel's objective from day one has not been to expel Hamas from Gaza (that's virtually impossible), but to remove it from power . And if the rumors about the ceasefire are true (and if the ceasefire is going to be respected), that's what's going to happen.

Hamas is the casus belli that they spent decades creating

You make it sound like Hamas was passive in this. Baiting your enemy into attacking you in order to galvanize your side still requires them taking the bait. It’s a legitimate strategy, just not a very nice one. See also: US/Japan relations ahead of WW2.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by threeseed »

propagandist wrote: post #113
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Trump wanted the war to end, and I'm sure Netanyahu was doing his Netanyahu thing. Posting that video was Trump's way of telling Netanyahu that he will burn him by turning him into public enemy #1 with his base. That's how he got him to agree.

This makes no sense.

Netanyahu destroyed his reputation within the Democratic base and it did not concern him in the slightest. Because Israel stopped truly needing the approval of the US a long time ago.

And so the idea that he is suddenly worried about what the Trump base thinks has no basis in fact. Especially when the Trump base is not 1-1 with the Republican base i.e. the majority of the Congress still supports Israel.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by joseppudev »

threeseed wrote: post #156
vFunct wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

>Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

please stop being a rage baiting troll. the war lasted for 15 months, but ended when there is 5 days left for Trump's inauguration.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by threeseed »

typon wrote: post #162
threeseed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Historical revisionism is supposed to happen when enough time has passed. This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan... This is the actual reality

> This is the actual reality

No. That is your opinion.

Biden and Middle East administrations had similar meetings for over a year now.

Unless we have a quote directly from the Netanyahu administration it's all just conjecture.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by transformi »

x3ro wrote: post #145
golergka wrote: post #56

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Look, you may fool peoe with your “all Palestinians are terrorists” rhetoric in zionist circles, but I would hope that most other people would be able to see through the propaganda. Israel has imprisoned people in “administrative detention” with no legal recourse for decades, for all kinds of bullshit reasons. If my home was being taken by settlers, which happens in the West Bank on the daily, I would do more than ju…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by typon »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

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