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I disagree with the entire premise of the article. None of the facts they sprinkled in are relevant to their conclusions. What exactly do you find compelling from it?

Be specific. Pick three parts of the history it narrates and explain how it is unfounded, deceitful or otherwise unreliable. Begin with a quote, then your criticism.

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Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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We all know what a healthy person looks like from toddler's age. It takes mental gymnastics to argue otherwise. The fact that we can only think of a couple examples of obviously fit folks who had health problems, like the other chap tried to do, is an exception that proves the rule. Do yourself a favor and try to break away from the overly legislative mindset. Meaning is not bounded by words and definitions. The thin…

Your post has great insight. I would just take ever so slight exception to your final paragraph based on two physicians I know that are 8n bad shape medically through no fault of their own. ;-)

Nothing in life is deterministic. That doesn't preclude things having meaning.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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There is some good advice, but the way she assumes old people have a lot of money, costs go down because of accumulation of assetes and salaries rise faster than inflation, might not be transferable to everyone in all geographies and generations (only read the slides)

She spends a long time at the beginning of the talk going over all kinds of caveats and disclaimers.

It's honestly annoying how much effort people have to put into saying "this won't work for everyone in every situation, all the time" and STILL someone chimes in "UMMMACTUALLY!" who didn't even watch the talk

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#164

I was enjoying this, but then reached a point where the speaker said > BMI is just nonsense, and not only that, it’s almost certainly racist nonsense […] it has been shown to be healthier in the group they call overweight than the group they call normal Which makes me doubt the veracity of other claims made, to say the least

Take a cursory look into BMI. It's completely BS. Goes right into the same bin as the food pyramid and the taste-zones of the tongue.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#165

I was enjoying this, but then reached a point where the speaker said > BMI is just nonsense, and not only that, it’s almost certainly racist nonsense […] it has been shown to be healthier in the group they call overweight than the group they call normal Which makes me doubt the veracity of other claims made, to say the least

Yes, it is not necessarily a racist view to assume that people who look different have more in common than not. If American doctors conduct research on a group of people within their own demographics, and that does not apply to all of humanity for some unknown reason, that doesn't mean they are racists. It's a vague guideline anyway with many exceptions such as bodybuilders and people with unusual proportions.

You're equating white with American.

> BMI is based primarily on data collected from previous generations of non-Hispanic white populations.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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post #105

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That's because "go fast and break things" was a stupid plan for children and criminals. It worked sometimes in the same way that some people who move to LA to become A-list actors succeed, but that doesn't make it a good plan. Slow IS faster. But slow can also be slow; you can go slow because you're doing it right, or you can go slow because you're dragging cinderblocks behind you for no reason. The trick is telling…

"Go fast and break things" is a good thing if you're working on stuff nobody needs, or stuff that doesn't make a lot of money. Breaking a social network that 2,000 people use and makes no revenue is fine as long as you learned something from it that makes it easier to get that 2,001st user or first dollar. Breaking a hospital's IT network could kill someone and should have consequences. Breaking amazon.com costs tens…

And yet it all too often gets applied in places where it is objectively stupid.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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Programmers are much more likely than the general population to have hyper-mobility Boy, that one comes with a whole lot of [citation needed] .

I know it really doesn't count for much but I suffer from hyper-mobility and have ADHD as well. So hey we have an n of one so far.

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Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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>So is it not overly legislative to bind a person's health choices to their looks when you don't have the whole story? No, it is overly pedantic to argue with someone making a basic and reasonable statement that someone looks overweight and would probably do better if they lost weight. Being overweight contributes to all kinds of joint pain and diabetes (which causes a lot of other physical and even mental problems).…

Hey, champ, way to jump in with an unrelated "no, but". At the start of this thread the person chose to marginalize this speaker and what she had to say because she appears "15 years older than they should be." Then they failed to give any representation of what a 63 year old woman _should_ look like, let alone a 63 year old cancer survivor. So to avoid being pedantic I'll just call it what it is: ageism.

The comment you replied to that started this whole thread was this:

>The host is clearly in poor physical condition and many of their concerns are due to lack of proper nutrition , exercise and prescription meds abuse. They appear 15 years older than they should be. Their advice is primarily reactive, and the trivial proactive advice (exercise more) is delivered almost ironically.

>Take care of yourself now. Drop the weight, get generous activity, get off the meds and you will feel loads better.

Boy that really wreaks of ageism, let me tell you. /s Being overweight makes you look older. He didn't marginalize anyone, he said that in his opinion she didn't look very healthy and was causing her own problems. He also gave some well-meaning recommendations, possibly from experience. He doesn't owe you an example or a detailed explanation of how he came up with a general impression of "15 years older." He's probably not a doctor or one of those age-guessing performers at a carnival.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're overweight and in denial like the woman in the video (who denies that BMI has any significance), and that's why you're flared up about this boring comment.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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Yes, it is not necessarily a racist view to assume that people who look different have more in common than not. If American doctors conduct research on a group of people within their own demographics, and that does not apply to all of humanity for some unknown reason, that doesn't mean they are racists. It's a vague guideline anyway with many exceptions such as bodybuilders and people with unusual proportions.

You're equating white with American. > BMI is based primarily on data collected from previous generations of non-Hispanic white populations.

America is a predominantly white country, despite the fact it is one of the least racist and least homogeneous ones in the world.

>BMI is based primarily on data collected from previous generations of non-Hispanic white populations.

This quote you provided proves my point. If there is an inherent bias in choosing from your own population, that doesn't make the study racist. If the study was Chinese and therefore didn't apply perfectly to Americans, that wouldn't make the focus on Chinese people a sign of racism.

By the way, affinity for your own group is encouraged in every case except for white people. Other groups aren't so stupid as to hate the homogeneity of their homeland. Go live in a more racially uniform country in Asia or Africa and see how much they care about diversity. They want the opposite.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#170
post #54

Slides: https://github.com/CppNorth/CppNorth_Slides/blob/main/2024/K...

Oh, thanks. The video is an hour long. Slide deck is two minutes. Standard advice on aging. Not programmer specific.

I really enjoyed the extra 58 minutes from her talk though, she didnt just read from the slides the added a lot of extra context.
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