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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by jjulius »

tombert wrote: post #155
jjulius wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Howdy! I've been huge into electronic music since I was 12 (currently 38). Literally fell in love with the music for the sake of the music. Started going out at 18, didn't try drugs until my mid-20's. Enjoy drugs, sometimes I'll take them, but most of the time I'm either sober or just a bit stoned. But even the weed isn't a requirement for me. I can be out until 5AM, loving the whole experience, because the music is…

I have friends who really like EDM, and as far as I am aware 95+% of the time that they're listening to it they're stark-raving sober, so I don't think that being stoned is a prerequisite for liking it. That said, I think that a possible explanation for the decline in club popularity is that a lot of people don't actually like it unless they're on drugs. Not just the music, but the whole club scene. It might be an ac…

Oh, it's definitely not for everyone. I love most of the broad spectrum of electronic music (sans the more mainstream "EDM" crap, but I digress...), so my wife gets exposed to all kinds of weird, repetitive shit. And she can't stand most of it, it makes her very anxious and over-stimulated. There's one particular kind of electronic music, called Deep House, which is heavily rooted in Funk, Soul, Disco and Jazz, that she absolutely loves to go out and dance to with me. It's got a four-to-the-floor kick, but it's got the soul and sound of the other genres I listed, just slightly repetitive.

This[1] is a good example of what that kinda music sounds like, he's one of my favorite DJs/producers out there. I suspect it might still not be for you, and that's totally fine! This shit deeeeeeefinitely isn't for everyone. :)

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYS3OUKKGqc

Edit: And as an aside, I'm with ya on NYC. Every time I visited, all of my NYC friends would just regale me, and themselves, with stories about finding places to live and what they have to deal with living there. I don't understand it.

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Post by polairscience »

kstrauser wrote: post #120

One big change is that they got better and much more organized. I go to an annual event with a few hundred of my friends and family. We rent a lodge in a national forest, set up an enormous sound system, and dance for 3 days around some very confused deer. There are food trucks and coffee bars and dozens of portapotties scattered around, plus daytime poolside sets while we swim around and listen to 100dB house. We gr…

Where's my invite?

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Post by kstrauser »

pimeys wrote: post #160
kstrauser wrote: post #120

One big change is that they got better and much more organized. I go to an annual event with a few hundred of my friends and family. We rent a lodge in a national forest, set up an enormous sound system, and dance for 3 days around some very confused deer. There are food trucks and coffee bars and dozens of portapotties scattered around, plus daytime poolside sets while we swim around and listen to 100dB house. We gr…

We did that same thing for ten years in a row. Especially fun when some catastrophe happens, like a lightning strike to the house when everybody's in the garden, breaking all fuses, water pump etc. Remember we had probably three years without some crazy accident. Nobody got killed though, so all good.

Ah, good ol’ type 2 fun, where afterward someone can sell “ride the lightning” tshirts as a fundraiser.

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Post by hambos22 »

t-3 wrote: post #59
hambos22 wrote: post #43

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In papers maybe, but in the streets, Ecstasy is the pill form of MDMA and is usually cut with other substances (e.g., speed, LSD, etc.). Therefore, when saying "Ecstasy," someone would expect a pill in a funny shape, whereas with "MDMA," they would expect powder.

I would never expect powder when I said MDMA, I would expect crystals or pills. Ecstasy is often said to be cut with other substances, but almost never is, because most other drugs are more expensive and less potent than MDMA. There are often impure batches containing meth or other amphetamines, often other "designer drugs" being pressed into pills and sold as ecstasy while not being MDMA, but rarely intentionally cu…

You are right, I used the wrong wording here. I meant crystals, not powder. I used the word 'powder' unconsciously because when I was raving, I would break those crystals into powder form to control the dosage better.

Anyway, regarding the difference between ecstasy and MDMA, from personal experience, I cannot remember a time when the effects were the same. Every time I took a pill, the effect was totally different from MDMA. MDMA provided a more 'pure' experience, whereas with advertised 'ecstasy' pills, I experienced hallucinations, memory loss, and a very heavy hangover.

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Post by tombert »

deadbabe wrote: post #158
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Used to do at least a line of coke before raves but with the way fent is laced into everything these days, no more

Yeah, that's what terrifies me now especially. As far as I'm aware, "cutting" drugs with other drugs is hardly new, but the fact that fentanyl can be made so cheaply and easily and added to everything means that all this stuff is a hard-pass for me now.

Honestly, I'm in my mid-30's, I think that I'm too old to "start" doing this stuff. In a lot of cases (and this is still something I'm not 100% used to), people look to me as the "grown up" in the room, for better or worse.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by mjsir911 »

NPR did a recent expose about a local renegade spot & the shows it supports in my scene:

https://www.kuow.org/stories/under-the-bridge-a-portrait-of-...

With mixed results, it kind of burned the spot by virtue of being talked about in too wide an audience but I think it's also important to make it known to the mainstream that this kind of stuff is happening.

All that's needed to make a rave happen is music & speakers, scale and quality is all configurable. Humans will always find spaces to congregate: whether it's their own houses, local parks, abandoned warehouses, industrial districts, or deep in the woods. I hope we're not losing our drive to be around eachother and dance, it's been such a integral part of my life story (as a fairly young person!) and has let me find my people.

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Post by marcosdumay »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #144
Jorge1o1 wrote: post #51

I think it’s health related, as the article mentions. >One executive in the entertainment industry said younger people were less inclined to go out raving until 6am as they were more health conscious and less frivolous with money than previous generations This is the same generation that has 12 step skincare routines, eats only organic food, chooses to vape or zyn rather than smoke because of secondhand smoke, everyo…

I do find these kinds of articles funny. "Why are the younger generations not destroying their bodies like we did?" Maybe we just don't want to bro.

> Maybe we just don't want to bro.

There's nothing wrong with it (quite the opposite), but keep in mind that this is not a normal thing. Most generations didn't act like this.

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Post by darkwizard42 »

lelandfe wrote: post #130
darkwizard42 wrote: post #116

Interesting. My experience in NYC even with folks in the 20s is they prefer going out BEFORE it gets super late, with the super late nights only happening for shows (where the DJ/main act doesn't come on till 1:30 AM). I've also anecdotally seen more day parties which might be driven by demand from the former rave crews who are aging out.

NYC as well. I thought that too and then realized it was just who I was surrounded by. You can find some extremely late night shows throughout the city that get packed with young people. Hop from Paragon to H0L0 to Nowadays and be out from 10pm until 10am, grab some pancakes at a diner, and take the train home. Did that journey recently with a Canadian friend who moved here as his welcome party :) On nothing stronger…

For sure, I think this does however line up with even younger folks who aren't going to generic clubs for a late night. They would just start earlier, bars/etc. and then end earlier. The full night bangers are definitely still very viable (and as crowded as you would like them) in NYC

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Post by DonHopkins »

p00dles wrote: post #83
diggan wrote: post #74

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You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

Well said. I like to imagine some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe, peering over his reading glasses while egg drips off of his toast onto his pleated houndstooth trousers.

Pete and Bas Stepped Into the Building!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by KeplerBoy »

jamestimmins wrote: post #157
steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

It's interesting how the creation of the internet still hasn't caused real estate prices to plummet.

Even two years of covid couldn't do it.

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