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You can live in the gift economy or the money economy. Taking stuff from the gift economy and selling it is gross.
I agree completely, and yet I would still prefer language to be used consistently.
I agree though. We should always intend for accurate and consistent language.
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Afaik the scam is honey telling users they find the best coupon but also letting shops dictate what coupons honey shows to the user. If I remember it right, the video also shows honey replacing the attribution cookie with its own even if it did not find any coupon
I heard that vague snippet from the podcast in the video. From my time in the affiliate space (which was a few years ago), Honey would not let merchants delete a code unless it was an employee or internal code. If it was publicly available, they refused to delete a code without providing an equivalent exclusive code. Maybe that policy has changed? If so, that's definitely bad, but I have no way to confirm that and I…
If it were an honest business, honey wouldn’t have needed to hide what they did. (And lie about it on their website - where they claimed until recently that honey found you the best deals). Also if it were an honest business, nobody would be surprised or mad when it all came out. Honest businesses can just explain everything and people still want to do business with them!
What honey did doesn’t pass the pub test. It’s scummy.
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Rhymes with horseshoe theory. People are willing to let behavior slide when it aligns with their interests, but will call it out when the "other team" does it. - Copyright abuse of games, movies, commercial software vs open source software - Censorship of conservative speech vs censorship of liberal speech - Genocide of one geopolitical entity vs another geopolitical entity - Separation of church/state with mandated…
>- Separation of church/state with mandated removal of religious symbols from students and government places vs freedom of religion with removal of LGBT symbols from students and government places >It's the same behavior on both sides, just different groups of people doing it. I'm actually curious to understand how you came to the conclusion that non-standard sexual and gender identities are equivalent to a religion…
I'm LGBT and agnostic.
Schools banning crosses and the Swiss banning burqa are very similar to the LGBT flag removal in Michigan. It's all censorship to enforce the ideology you agree with.
A free society would do none of these things.
Instead we have two angry sides playing games to anger one another.
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Honestly I knew that that coupon websites were adding their affiliate link to links from their websites, but it never occurred to me that the toolbars would be stripping and replacing affiliate links from actual links you were clicking yourself. I wouldn't mind if they were transparent about what they were doing or gave you the option to substitute your own code specifically. I'm sure there are a lot of situations wh…
On Firefox you could use a separate container for your coupon site visits, but do the buying in another container.
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The GPL does the exact opposite of copyright; the fact that it uses copyright to achieve that is just an implementation detail. If you believe information should be free to share and remix, you would believe that copyright infringement is not theft and that not releasing code is wrong. The fact that the proprietary code is based on GPL code just shows that the ex-Honey folks are hypocrites: they're trying to use copy…
> The GPL does the exact opposite of copyright; the fact that it uses copyright to achieve that is just an implementation detail. > If you believe information should be free to share and remix, you would believe that copyright infringement is not theft No, this is absolutely incorrect. GPL requires copyright (or similar mechanism) to function. Without copyright, anyone could take the GPL'd code and release a compiled…
But in a world where that is politically infeasible, we have to use whatever tools we have at hand to get as close as we can. And, unfortunately, the tool we happen to have is the modern copyright regime.
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The GPL does the exact opposite of copyright; the fact that it uses copyright to achieve that is just an implementation detail. If you believe information should be free to share and remix, you would believe that copyright infringement is not theft and that not releasing code is wrong. The fact that the proprietary code is based on GPL code just shows that the ex-Honey folks are hypocrites: they're trying to use copy…
> The GPL does the exact opposite of copyright; the fact that it uses copyright to achieve that is just an implementation detail. > If you believe information should be free to share and remix, you would believe that copyright infringement is not theft No, this is absolutely incorrect. GPL requires copyright (or similar mechanism) to function. Without copyright, anyone could take the GPL'd code and release a compiled…
I know it’s not necessarily the same people, but it feels contradictory for this community to say “copyright infringement isn’t theft” when we’re talking about movies, but use the opposite language when talking about GPL source code.
You can live in the gift economy or the money economy. Taking stuff from the gift economy and selling it is gross.
I know it’s not necessarily the same people, but it feels contradictory for this community to say “copyright infringement isn’t theft” when we’re talking about movies, but use the opposite language when talking about GPL source code.
It's about the idea that software (and, for many, all digital media) should be free. The GPL is designed to "infect" other projects, by forcing them to be free if the GPL code is included. It's using IP/copyright laws to combat profiteering in software (and, in the case of movies, Blender releases a GPL'd movie every few years).
It's the activists' FOSS license, unlike the MIT/BSD/Apache licenses, which are just the literal definition of Free and Open Source, no strings attached.
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Its not. I have had honey installed on a separate chrome instance (mainly use FF). I was not aware that the extension pulled this, otherwise I would have never used it. There are some creators I follow, whose advice I somewhat trust and I have used their affiliate links to purchase a product. I want that creator to get the commission because they sold me on the product, not honey. Also, just because something is stan…
I already agreed the affiliate industry has issues (and is part of the reason I left). If they switched to first-click or multi-click attribution, none of this would be a problem. But I am just saying it's not a Honey problem, the blame is focused on the wrong place. If they want things to change, they should direct their rage at the companies who make the rules.
Any system of rules will always have loopholes. It’s the mark of civilisation that people choose to act honourably even - and especially - when they could get away with being a dirtbag.
I know it’s not necessarily the same people, but it feels contradictory for this community to say “copyright infringement isn’t theft” when we’re talking about movies, but use the opposite language when talking about GPL source code.
The GPL does the exact opposite of copyright; the fact that it uses copyright to achieve that is just an implementation detail. If you believe information should be free to share and remix, you would believe that copyright infringement is not theft and that not releasing code is wrong. The fact that the proprietary code is based on GPL code just shows that the ex-Honey folks are hypocrites: they're trying to use copy…
The goal of the GPL and viral licensing is to undo copyright as such.
I don't agree with this maximalist approach because many forms of knowledge wouldn't be created without a financial incentive. But there's many niches in the economy where free software creates greater economic benefit than a proprietary solution.