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Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by jart »

Etheryte wrote: post #151
jart wrote: post #122

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What government agencies think matters because they outline what's legal and what's not, and that in turn dictates what ends up in your food or not. If the government agencies are wrong, you can end up slowly being poisoned. A 250,000 times gap is the difference between one milligram and a quarter of a kilogram.

Where do you think government policy comes from? If the people who are smart and wealthy enough to torch half a million dollars on original independent research care more about who's breaking the law rather than what's true, then you have a circular dependency that breaks your system. That's why the law is so crazy and nothing crazy should be taken seriously regardless of how officially important it is.

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by volongoto »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #158
refurb wrote: post #127

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It is ironic. Amazing how if you don't go looking for it, there is no bad news! I see the same in people who visit developing countries and talk about how "fresh and organic" the food is. They comment "you don't read about the food safety issues like you do in developed countries". Yeah, of course you don't, the developing countries don't test!

That's partly true, but on the other hand less intensive, less industrialized food production will end up with safer food. The apple or tomato from your grandma's backyard in Eastern Europe will have less chemicals than the one grown in the Dutch monoculture farm.

My personal experience is the opposite. There is no control on the produce on grandma's backyard and therefore we have no idea how much chemicals she is using. Probably she doesn't know either. But I'm sure of one thing: she definitely uses chemicals if she wants to eat (or sell) those apples. Chemical-free agriculture is more demanding and the grandma doesn't have an incentive to invest in it. After all, using chemicals is what she learned growing up and therefore is the "traditional" way.

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by freddie_mercury »

refurb wrote: post #127
jart wrote: post #93

It's hilarious how McDonalds ends up being the safest premade meals you can get (outside a big tech company cafeteria) at least from a scary plastic chemical standpoint. They actually have the resources and a big enough PR problem to spend the money to send their stuff to labs and get it tested. Everyone else solves the PR problem by just labeling their food organic and healthy instead. https://justine.lol/tmp/health…

It is ironic. Amazing how if you don't go looking for it, there is no bad news! I see the same in people who visit developing countries and talk about how "fresh and organic" the food is. They comment "you don't read about the food safety issues like you do in developed countries". Yeah, of course you don't, the developing countries don't test!

Having lived in a developing country for a decade: they don't speak the local language and don't read local news that's why they don't hear about it. The local news and gossip is always full of it.

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by refurb »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #163
refurb wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is ironic. Amazing how if you don't go looking for it, there is no bad news! I see the same in people who visit developing countries and talk about how "fresh and organic" the food is. They comment "you don't read about the food safety issues like you do in developed countries". Yeah, of course you don't, the developing countries don't test!

Having lived in a developing country for a decade: they don't speak the local language and don't read local news that's why they don't hear about it. The local news and gossip is always full of it.

Varies by country.

But my comment was more about government inspections and news about violations, not news about food poisoning outbreaks.

In the developing country I was in, plenty of food products are never tested, but once you've visited a factory it's clear it would be shutdown in any developed country.

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by seper8 »

volongoto wrote: post #162
throw_pm23 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's partly true, but on the other hand less intensive, less industrialized food production will end up with safer food. The apple or tomato from your grandma's backyard in Eastern Europe will have less chemicals than the one grown in the Dutch monoculture farm.

My personal experience is the opposite. There is no control on the produce on grandma's backyard and therefore we have no idea how much chemicals she is using. Probably she doesn't know either. But I'm sure of one thing: she definitely uses chemicals if she wants to eat (or sell) those apples. Chemical-free agriculture is more demanding and the grandma doesn't have an incentive to invest in it. After all, using chemi…

I dont think grandmas are out there using genetically modified crops so they can douse the whole thing in Roundup

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by lazide »

jart wrote: post #161
Etheryte wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What government agencies think matters because they outline what's legal and what's not, and that in turn dictates what ends up in your food or not. If the government agencies are wrong, you can end up slowly being poisoned. A 250,000 times gap is the difference between one milligram and a quarter of a kilogram.

Where do you think government policy comes from? If the people who are smart and wealthy enough to torch half a million dollars on original independent research care more about who's breaking the law rather than what's true, then you have a circular dependency that breaks your system. That's why the law is so crazy and nothing crazy should be taken seriously regardless of how officially important it is.

However, not taking the law seriously also often results in jail time or serious consequences. Sometimes especially when the law doesn’t make sense.

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by fn-mote »

seper8 wrote: post #165
volongoto wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal experience is the opposite. There is no control on the produce on grandma's backyard and therefore we have no idea how much chemicals she is using. Probably she doesn't know either. But I'm sure of one thing: she definitely uses chemicals if she wants to eat (or sell) those apples. Chemical-free agriculture is more demanding and the grandma doesn't have an incentive to invest in it. After all, using chemi…

I dont think grandmas are out there using genetically modified crops so they can douse the whole thing in Roundup

The idea that Roundup is the worst pesticide being used is optimistic.

It’s like the GP indicates - I think the concern is more for yield than safety.

My experience as a tourist was that some fruit reeked so strongly of chemicals that I just kept away from it.

Re: Plasticlist Report – Data on plastic chemicals in Bay Area foods

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Post by MVissers »

thatcat wrote: post #147
lazide wrote: post #137

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Uh, smoke particles and mineral dusts are generally non digestible - and we’ve been eating smoked/cooked meats and slightly dirty things for at least as long as recorded history?

isnt smoked/charred food associated with colon cancer?

Yes.

And the last decades we’ve had a new unknown cause of colon cancer increase in young adults.

My money is on plastics, but will be hard to prove.

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