Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

161–170 of 201 posts

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#161

Post by seventhtiger »

ferbivore wrote: post #36
ternnoburn wrote: post #29

I worry about let's plays (especially let's plays without commentary). They pretty clearly exist in a "yes, this is copyright infringement but yes, they are generally considered positive for a game" space. The moment some game creator decides to test this will get very interesting. Not good interesting.

Why do you think a video capture of a computer program would infringe the copyrights of the program's creators?

Games are incidentally computer programs, but what's relevant is that they're audiovisual content. Video capture of video would infringe on copyrights which is what video games are.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#164

Post by jjmarr »

catapart wrote: post #35
fn-mote wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those people being targeted by this troll should band together and sue. Sue the troll?? Good luck finding them. How would you even begin? A ProtonMail email address? No way. Sue YouTube?? Again, no way. Until either YouTube or the US Congress thinks this is a large enough problem to deal with, it's not going away.

Maybe I'm just a malcontent, but for me this begs the question: couldn't this be used in reverse as activism? Like, if enough people used enough fake accounts and started relentlessly submitting takedown requests on the biggest channels making the most revenue, not only would YouTube start to see the revenue issue, but the big channels would start making noise. Go after one troll sending the requests, another one tak…

That sounds like what is happening in the OP. Someone is now directly harming Nintendo's interests by sending fake DMCAs.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#165

Post by fortran77 »

yellowapple wrote: post #129
ndiddy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube already has that system. I had to go through the process due to a similar situation with someone falsely content ID'ing my video. In that case it was someone uploading music they didn't own to some online music distribution service. Basically the way it works is after you dispute the content ID claim and whoever filed it still says the content is theirs, you can escalate the dispute to an actual DMCA countern…

I went through a situation similar to yours, and encountered an additional discouraging factor: YouTube seemed to threaten to take down my channel entirely if my appeal was to be rejected. There was also no real option for "the person making the Content ID claim obviously doesn't own the copyright to the work in question" (in this case, the famous "yeah! woo!" a.k.a. "think break" sample; the Content ID match was fro…

I play classical piano and sometimes upload to YouTube. You're right that there's no easy way to say "the person making the Content ID claim obviously doesn't own the copyright to the work in question". This happens almost every time I put a recording of myself playing Chopin, Bach, Mozart, etc and I get a notice from BMI or DG, etc.

You'd think that YouTube could at least categorize those who perform and record unambigiously public domain works and advise people using automatic match software to be _very_ sure there's an infringement.

Someday if I have time and patience, I may try to see what legal options I have against one of these deep-pocket companies who are making false (and libelous) claims about the recordings I have made. They're accusing me of theft, and it's provably false.

What's annoying is sometimes I'm on the road and don't get to responding to the request for several weeks.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#166

Post by lesuorac »

fortran77 wrote: post #165
yellowapple wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through a situation similar to yours, and encountered an additional discouraging factor: YouTube seemed to threaten to take down my channel entirely if my appeal was to be rejected. There was also no real option for "the person making the Content ID claim obviously doesn't own the copyright to the work in question" (in this case, the famous "yeah! woo!" a.k.a. "think break" sample; the Content ID match was fro…

I play classical piano and sometimes upload to YouTube. You're right that there's no easy way to say "the person making the Content ID claim obviously doesn't own the copyright to the work in question". This happens almost every time I put a recording of myself playing Chopin, Bach, Mozart, etc and I get a notice from BMI or DG, etc. You'd think that YouTube could at least categorize those who perform and record unam…

Well, keep in mind Content ID [1] is in response to Viacom v YouTube [2] despite Viacom not winning (largely on the grounds that Viacom itself didn't know which works were copyright infringement so how could YouTube).

So, the system exists to placate large rightsholders. It's not going to be modified to cause them problems.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_ID#History

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._Y...

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#167

Post by redman25 »

wongarsu wrote: post #62
redman25 wrote: post #54

I had no idea spoofing email sender was so easy. Does anyone know of a good way to defend against this? I've always taken it for granted that if the sender was a domain that I trusted that I could trust the email itself.

DKIM and SPF are supposed to prevent email sender spoofing, but that requires the domain owner to set it up correctly age the receiver to verify the records and actually distrust or discard the email if they don't match. Both steps aren't trivial, and configuration errors are more common than actual spoofing. DMARC is supposed to fix everything, but only if the domain owner cares enough to do more than the bare minim…

Ah, so this is a failure on nintendo's part for not protecting their email domain properly.

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#168

Post by asddubs »

Guest9081239812 wrote: post #70

I have a forum that receives a high number of DMCA claims. They link to pages on my forum where they claim I'm violating their copyright. However, when I review the pages, the content only mentions the name of a product or service. Imagine I write something here, like how I watched the movie "Inception" last week. A third party then sends me a DMCA request on behalf of Warner Bros, and Google removes this page from t…

does your forum have download or something in the name that could lead them/a scanning tool to think it's piracy download links? Not saying that would make the situation any more justified, I'm just kind of curious

Re: Fake Nintendo lawyer is scaring YouTubers, and its not clear YouTube can stop it

#169

Post by [deleted] »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #135
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how long do you think it would take until the competitor would end up in the same situation? How can the god help with it? And which god?

> And how long do you think it would take until the competitor would end up in the same situation? YouTube ended up in that situation for two reasons. First, the original YouTube before Google bought it was playing fast and loose with the law and was in the process of getting sued over it after Google bought them. Second, Google wants to license Hollywood content for YouTube TV etc. So between wanting to settle the l…

[deleted]
Post reply on HN