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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by stogot »

ElectRabbit wrote: post #7
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #4

What talks are people most interested in? It looks like Joscha Bach [0] is continuing his "From Computation to Consciousness" series. I've enjoyed some of his older talks so I'll probably check out this new entry as well. A few of the science talks related to biology also seem really interesting, although it reminds me of how much I'm lacking in understanding and knowledge of the topic. It looks like there's a big fo…

For me it's all the embedded and crypto stuff.

Crypto as in keys, not crypto as in coins?

Can’t believe I have to ask that these days

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by dpassens »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #126
dpassens wrote: post #111

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> Some thoughts are too complex for English. English just adopts all the good German words. Every time I, a native German speaker, have struggled to express something in English it was either because my personal vocabulary was lacking or because of societal differences, never because English is somehow inferior.

And German has adopted all the good English words. Like Handy (cell phone), Beamer (projector), and body bag (fanny bag). Oh wait....

I've never heard a fanny pack called a body bag in German. It's a Bauchtasche in my family.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by aveao »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #155
aveao wrote: post #131

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There was only one other congress after the pandemic and that was 37c3 (last year). That one indeed did not sell out and was an outliar. I did go to 36c3 (end of dec 2019, right before pandemic) and the difficulty of buying tickets was the same as this year.

Interesting that it did not sell out. I've heard there was a lot of concern in the community about covid.

I think it was a number of reasons, covid was one of them.

- Congress on years where there's cccamp tends to be planned by people who are understandably more exhausted. 37c3 and cccamp23 were on same year and 37c3 slogan was appropriately "resource extension".

- The venue was back from Leipzig to Hamburg (CCH was doing renovations for a while, so it was moved to CCL for a few years).

- 4 years between events lead to both changes in the orga people, and general concern that the older set of people had been at this point less familiar with running an event of this scale ("can they still do it and make it feel the same?").

- Covid precautions were a divisive topic. Some didn't want precautions, some wanted more precautions. Ultimately some measures were taken, but none were mandatory. We have distributed free tests and masks last year, we'll do it again this year, though mainly aimed at volunteers, so you should bring your own mask and test if you can, see the info page^1 for full recommendations :)

All this lead to people being unsure if 37c3 would be good and not coming. But I think that trust has since been regained, seeing as this year sold out really fast (same as past years).

I think one other issue was that chaos community is getting older and many are having families, which makes going to congress between christmas and NYE difficult. We did, imo, really good outreach since then and now there's more young people joining chaos communities again. Still, coming to congress is costlier for younger people that earn less (175eur for ticket but cheaper options are available on request, plus 400-600eur in hotels, plus trains/flights/visas etc).

(I was/am part of the infection protection team at 37c3 and 38c3 but am speaking on personal capacity.)

^1: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/infos/corona.html

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

_19qg wrote: post #150
davrosthedalek wrote: post #109

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For the more central block parties, this is correct. But for many ultra-left and ultra-right parties, this is not necessarily true. There are true Marxist or Stalinist blocks in many of the ultra-left. There are straight-up fascists in the right wing "national socialist" parties.

ultra-right parties may have "socialist" in their name, but they are typically not in a sense connected to Marx&Hegel. Example: the "National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (Hitler's NSDAP) was not marxist.

Yes, and I never said so. But the post I replied to implied that socialist=social democratic. And neither the marxist/communists in the far-left parties (and sometimes the whole party) nor the fascists in the far-right parties are social democratic.

(Of course there is no such thing as a "social democracy", in the sense that the government structure is modified from a "non-social" democracy. But there can be democrats who push for a socially oriented governance. For example: Let's have affordable healthcare. Yes, that means that it cost more for rich people..

Democrats here means "people who want to take part in a democracy". not the US party. Not that they are liberal in the European sense either.) )

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by dlmotol »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #160
Zolomon wrote: post #5

The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.

The underlying problem is the lack of tickets. The only way accommodate more attendees and grow would have been to move permanently to a fairground like Leipzig. Unfortunately, there seems to be no willingness to do so. I found the Leipzig events phenomenal and would like to understand the reasons behind this decision, but can only find speculation.. maybe fairgrounds are simply too expensive? Leipzig’s hotel situati…

The hotel in Leipzig was easy because the tram went straight to the city center 24/4 .

As far as I know people don't like the huge space and I agree. The magic of the Congress in Berlin or Hamburg wasn't there in Leipzig.

Also the logistics center of the CCC is somewhere around Berlin.

The size of Leipzig also motivated a few not so fitting people to that conference too.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

aveao wrote: post #148
davrosthedalek wrote: post #136

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>Please, CCC, don't send these people on a stage that they don't enjoy when you could also work with them to get their stuff across. Hmm, maybe this is actually a problem the community can address. For our conferences, people who are new to giving talks normally have a practice run or two at their universities with local people. Then they get feedback how to improve the talk. It doesn't work wonders, but it does help…

These sessions would help few imo. It'd eat into people's congress time (few arrive before the event due to christmas), making it less appealing. Many also prepare their slides and talk last minute. Not a whole lot that can be done there.

Yeah, I meant this to be an online thing a week or two in advance. Doesn't help against last minute slides, but from my experience, the people doing presentations for the first time, don't prepare them so late.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #159
davrosthedalek wrote: post #129

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For what it's worth, I only have an example for the other way around: Accuracy vs precision. It's "Genauigkeit". But there is a subtle difference in meaning in English that is lost in German without additional explanation.

you can translate many english „complicated“ words one to one in german because german has a anglo saxon in it. for example accuracy is akkurat precission is prezision hypocrite is hypokrit etc german has a crazy big vocabulary but most words arent used and in generell the language is simplified in everyday use. for example everyone has angst but noone has bange anymore. btw good word for anxious in german. i once al…

We have akkurat, which is only an adjective, there is not really a Noun version. But in any case, we would not give it the same meaning shift as you have in English, at least how it's used in physics.

Learning German is hard in the beginning, because of the more challenging grammar and "Donaudampfschifffahrtskapitaensmuetzenfabrikantengattin" but then becomes easier, as there a lot less word plays and figures of speech. It's quite regular. English is easy to get into, but to master it, you have to know them all. And the random pronunciation, of course.

Ja, Bange is uncommon. Really only used in "Da wird mir Angst und Bange!". and "Bange machen". It is still amazing to me that "Giving up the ghost" is a figure of speech in both English and German.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by wkat4242 »

seb1204 wrote: post #101
wkat4242 wrote: post #93

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Oh yeah I'm too old for that though :)

Live life, give it a go.

I've done that in the past (I lived in youth hostels for years in fact) but I can't now. Especially because I sleep with a CPAP machine as well.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by davrosthedalek »

dpassens wrote: post #162
davrosthedalek wrote: post #126

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And German has adopted all the good English words. Like Handy (cell phone), Beamer (projector), and body bag (fanny bag). Oh wait....

I've never heard a fanny pack called a body bag in German. It's a Bauchtasche in my family.

Might have been a regional thing. But I think there was an ad on tv... Didn't live long, was too embarrassing :)

Of course Handy is Schwaebisch: Ai handy kai Schnurr?

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by lispm »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #158
lispm wrote: post #134

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> Even a 5% party can have an outsized influence on the politics Die Linke does not have an "outsized influence". It's also shrinking. It may seem to have "outsized influence" for someone from the US or the UK, with their different voting system, which practically creates a two-party system. In a proportional representation system smaller parties have influence, too - for example by being a coalition member. Die Link…

> Die Linke does not have an "outsized influence". It's also shrinking. Yes, it's shrinking because Sarah exited left, came back in on the right, and now has her own party with blackjack and racists. > It may seem to have "outsized influence" for someone from the US or the UK, with their different voting system, which practically creates a two-party system. In a proportional representation system smaller parties have…

> And historically, the FDP and CSU have a lot more influence that what would be proportional to their vote share compared to the bigger partners.

I don't think the influence is "outsized". Any party with 5% shares AND being in a coalition has much more influence than a party with 5% AND not in a coalition. A party with 4.9% may have very little influence, when not in a coalition and not even represented in the Bundestag. There are steps from very little influence to normal influence. The CSU never had that much special influence, since they were basically the CDU with a different name, but in Bavaria. It appeared larger because it was historically a different party, but basically only as an historic accident. The politics of CDU and CSU are largely the same. The CSU (only in Bavaria) getting more persons into the government may look like "more influence", but is largely the same policy as the CDU (in Germany minus Bavaria).

The FDP has left the current coalition, exactly BECAUSE they thought their influence was too low and they had to agree to too many unwanted compromises.

> My point is: It's a gradual difference. Not a complete systems change.

The currently policy landscape looks very different to me. Ultra-rich billionaires ruling US politics.

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