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Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Post by Arathorn » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 1:05 AM UTC

AAAAaccountAAAA wrote: post #160

Arathorn wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the question is whether it’s better to spread objectively and demonstrably false info today (as you are with the completely bogus Matrix 2.0 critique), versus me putting subjective info into a FAQ 10 years ago ;) It might be worth considering that whining about Matrix is misdirected anger - it may be better off pointed at the proprietary centralised surveillance capitalism alternatives rather than us…

> I guess the question is whether it’s better to spread objectively and demonstrably false info today (as you are with the completely bogus Matrix 2.0 critique), versus me putting subjective info into a FAQ 10 years ago ;) Outright denying people's bad experience with Matrix has also been a sad part in Matrix marketing for so long. Unfortunately, I don't have experience with Element X, since my provider doesn't suppo…

> Outright denying people's bad experience with Matrix has also been a sad part in Matrix marketing for so long

I think if you look at my comments on HN you'll see me spending most of my time trying to explain or apologise for people's bad experience, but ymmv.

> Unfortunately, I don't have experience with Element X, since my provider doesn't support it yet, so I can't confirm or deny that testimonial, but my exceptations are not high.

Shame, you're missing out.

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Post by rekabis » Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 3:48 PM UTC

devjab wrote: post #112

rekabis wrote: post #110

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In order for Signal to provide this history, said history would have to be stored on their servers, massively nerfing one of their core competitive advantages. This “limitation” is the ultimate advantage from the perspective of Signal’s core competency.

It could be saved on devices and supplied as needed from that device history. They wouldn’t need to keep it on their servers. I don’t think you can fault signal for not wanting to do that, but it also means signal is a terrible communications platform if you want that sort of thing.

> It could be saved on devices and supplied as needed from that device history.

Then what if a new person joined the group convo? Do they have a right to see everything that everyone has said in that group convo, right back to the beginning? What if someone objects to sharing past conversations? What if sharing past conversations is a legitimate security concern to the group?

How does one filter out those past statements by someone who doesn’t want to share past statements? With security-state and foreign-state moles being a rather big issue in some groups, this is a legitimate rabbit’s hole that needs addressing. Some companies that standardize on Signal may not want any prior convos to become available to new entrants.

Personally, I see the lack of history to be a very real competitive advantage, and not any sort of a nerf.

Sure, your own history can be shared between installs on devices that you yourself own. But that is your chat history, meant for only you.

Re: Ergo Chat – A modern IRC server written in Go

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Post by Gormo » Fri, Dec 27, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #59

Gormo wrote: post #56

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> Are we once again at a point where it's time to start over? Ask Sisyphus. In the meantime, while everything else keeps going through newer iterations of XKCD 927 ( https://xkcd.com/927/ ), IRC keeps chugging along, and gaining new features and functionality as it enters its fourth decade despite the previous commenter's gripes.

> Ask Sisyphus. that doesn't make any sense.

What doesn't make sense about it?