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WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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I don't think he claims to be a corporation here. What he says is that, because wordpress[dot]org is his personal site, telling him what to do with it would violate his First Amendment rights.

Its still stupid. The first amendment doesn't mean you can do literally anything you want.

I've come to realize that for some people the law is considered in a Big Lebowski manner: "that's just, like, your opinion, man".

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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> remove the purported list of WPEngine customers contained in the “domains.csv” file linked to Defendants’ wordpressenginetracker.com website (which was launched on or about November 7, 2024) and stored in the associated GitHub repository located at https://github.com/wordpressenginetracker/wordpressenginetra... . Considering the only changes [1] [2] have been to add more sites to the list I guess there's going to b…

> Within 72 hours, Defendants are ORDERED to:

So they can add sites to the tracker GH right up to the 71 hour, then remove it and still be in compliance with the order.

edit: as the WPEngine checkbox has been removed from https://login.wordpress.org/ since the order, I don't see why they won't also follow the order regrading the site tracker.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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Since Matt was personally commenting in the threads, I think he would have made a comment saying that the person claiming to be his lawyer isn't actually his lawyer.

Unless the person claiming to be his lawyer was actually Matt.

Or John Barron.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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Trying to help people be better versions of themselves is a good thing.

But this wasn't about trying to help someone to be better, it was to help them avoid facing consequences for being bad, like advising a wife beater about concealer options for his wife (overly dramatic example, I know). "You should stop doing dumb/illegal stuff, it might impact you" is very different advice than "You should stop talking about the dumb/illegal stuff you do, they may stop you".

It was probably an error in judgement for me to have advised the man to stop talking.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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> remove the purported list of WPEngine customers contained in the “domains.csv” file linked to Defendants’ wordpressenginetracker.com website (which was launched on or about November 7, 2024) and stored in the associated GitHub repository located at https://github.com/wordpressenginetracker/wordpressenginetra... . Considering the only changes [1] [2] have been to add more sites to the list I guess there's going to b…

Removed 5min ago hmmmhm

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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post #121

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Time for another episode of "The Case for 9224" (not criticizing you! it's just my hobby, apparently) That comment has gotten a bum rap over the years. The commenter was trying to be helpful with Dropbox's YC application (that's what "app" meant on HN in 2007). Back then, file synchronization was widely thought to be a solution-in-search-of-a-problem. I've been trying for years to get people to understand this (start…

I never interpreted these comments as mean-spirited, it’s just funny how the comment is completely wrong on hindsight. Kind of like the 640 kB of RAM thing or horses being better than cars. I don’t think the point is that the people saying it at the time were stupid, it’s just interesting that people can come to completely wrong conclusions which seem reasonable at the time.

It's not completely wrong in hindsight†. It's only "wrong" if you assume "app" means Dropbox itself, and if you ignore the context of the thread. Brandon was talking about an application that framed Dropbox as an alternative to USB drives, and critiquing the pitch.

There was a time on HN where it actually made sense to bat a YC application back and forth, and to talk about what might make a more or less compelling one. It's long gone, and the people dunking on this comment have completely lost touch with what the original community was. I'm not saying that community was better (it was much more insular), but it was certainly more collegial.

In fact, I think we now know it was literally correct, and YC had the same qualms, accepting Drew Houston just to get access to him and apparently hoping he'd find something better to work on.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

#167

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Its still stupid. The first amendment doesn't mean you can do literally anything you want.

I've come to realize that for some people the law is considered in a Big Lebowski manner: "that's just, like, your opinion, man".

A billionaire who will remain nameless is reportedly very fond of saying “Sue them” when he’s not getting his way. It’s the lawyers job to figure out what to actually sue them _for_.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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This is pretty on the nose considering Matt's latest blog post[1]. I feel for Matt in some regard, and I do think the lawsuit sets a precedent that OSS developers are required to provide software with warranty. However, I say that with not fully understanding the seperation of actions between Automattic the company and Matt in his own personal capacity. [1] https://ma.tt/2024/12/drupalcon-singapore/

>and I do think the lawsuit sets a precedent that OSS developers are required to provide software with warranty If Matt hadn't tried to extort WP Engine he would have been perfectly within his right to say "large hosts have to pay to use the WordPress plugin directory". The injunction is purely about one specific company who was allegedly harmed by Automattic.

I agree in general, but there's still a problem with encouraging people for decades to build businesses around a version of WP hardcoded to .org, not letting them "phone home," not making clear that they were building on a private company instead of a foundation with a clear mission statement, and then pulling the rug without notice. I don't think all of those steps would be legal, either.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

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Matt has claimed[1] before to be "post-economic", i.e. has enough money that it doesn't matter to him anymore. It's hard not to see this as personal, not financial. [1] https://x.com/sereedmedia/status/1839394786622722432

That was before he made tons of horrible angel investments - https://pitchbook.com/profiles/investor/106035-94#exits you can see how many of his portfolio are out of business or near death.

No, it was this past September 26, in the middle of all of this.

Re: WPEngine, Inc. vs. Automattic– Order on Motion for Preliminary Injunction

#170
post #121

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Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10000: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 Also worth reading the poster's follow-up years later and the ensuing discussion. Graeme's observation about the significance of the comment is super important: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16661824

Time for another episode of "The Case for 9224" (not criticizing you! it's just my hobby, apparently) That comment has gotten a bum rap over the years. The commenter was trying to be helpful with Dropbox's YC application (that's what "app" meant on HN in 2007). Back then, file synchronization was widely thought to be a solution-in-search-of-a-problem. I've been trying for years to get people to understand this (start…

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