GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

Post by AlotOfReading » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:35 AM UTC

upbeat_general wrote: post #126

boshalfoshal wrote: post #116

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I think it will be Tesla. Regulatory pressures for them just lifted, and they move faster than all the other driverless companies, courtesy of Elon's fairly hardcore mode of operation. It may not be a perfect driving solution (probably 1:1 teleoperator to car in the beginning), but their go to market speed is undeniably better than Waymo et al. Waymo, Cruise, etc have to map out an entire region and have long rollout…

Maybe I'm missing something but are there any current regulations that make it difficult to operate? My understanding was that in many states, it's mostly just paper requirements and not any strict testing, etc.

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:36 AM UTC

Veserv wrote: post #91

genewitch wrote: post #78

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This rebuttal is fine, i guess, but to answer your final question: At least 1645 deaths if your government is british. I forget the US numbers, but globally you can kill upwards of 30,000 people with unproven and empirically fatal technology.

Really, you are arguing that I get to kill 1645 in the UK before I have to show any scientifically rigorous evidence? I get to do 1645 drives and kill the passenger every time before anybody cares? That is not only insane, but empirically false in the USA as people cared very greatly about Cruise injuring people during the development process. You have to be answering the question: “Assuming we already know for a fac…

Post by ivewonyoung » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:37 AM UTC

llamaimperative wrote: post #132

porphyra wrote: post #128

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The MB Drive Pilot only works at ridiculously low speeds (under 40 mph), on select highways, no sharp turns, no weather, no construction zones, lanes clearly visible, etc. It's laughable to compare it against FSD which works everywhere. FSD has been flawless when driving on such easy conditions for years.

Are you assuming MB Drive Pilot couldn’t also work pretty well outside of its design domain? This argument is always so silly because it’s just an argument about the correct way to build a safe control system (i.e. with guaranteed performance characteristics in a defined operational domain) versus the incorrect way to do it (just kinda work over an ambiguously defined set of conditions and hope you don’t kill too man…

Post by SequoiaHope » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:40 AM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #144

Filligree wrote: post #139

I'm not sure I want autonomous vehicles to work. It would, inevitably, lead to more cars in cities. Probably faster cars. Both are the opposite of what we need; it isn't just about safety.

Who decides "what we need"? I say "we" do - ie, if people want to buy autonomous cars, then that's what's going to happen. Incidentally if there's a large number of autonomous cars available in a fluid and efficient market, that would probably mean fewer people need cars in total.

Post by brcmthrowaway » Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 2:40 AM UTC

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #164

Frankly, I think Tesla is going to win this. The new self-driving is remarkably good. Based on this alone, I estimate (actual) level 5 self driving in 2-3 years. I'm convinced that the lidar sensors are essentially unnecessary and the vision-only strategy is basically going to work and be much cheaper in the process.