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Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Any idea why it only happens to iPhones? I don't think I've noticed this on Androids, where the only impact of longevity is the lack of updates from the manufacturers and then Google Play Services starts to fill up the storage with updates.

It does happen to Androids. Its just that by the time it matters, the manufacturer has abandoned it.

aha that makes sense!

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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This and also I don't want a tumor on the back of my phone. Can we go back to flat bodies at the expense of camera quality? For some of us phone cameras are really not _that_ important.

Most women I know buy the higher end phones for its cameras simply to take better selfies of themselves, they dont game (not stereotype, just stats in my region), they just use their phone for watching videos, listening to music, phone calling and most importantly take a gazillion photos each week. So nearly 50% of the demographic is buying those phones simply for the camera, and a big screen, nothing else. I’ve noti…

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Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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This and also I don't want a tumor on the back of my phone. Can we go back to flat bodies at the expense of camera quality? For some of us phone cameras are really not _that_ important.

Most women I know buy the higher end phones for its cameras simply to take better selfies of themselves, they dont game (not stereotype, just stats in my region), they just use their phone for watching videos, listening to music, phone calling and most importantly take a gazillion photos each week. So nearly 50% of the demographic is buying those phones simply for the camera, and a big screen, nothing else. I’ve noti…

The selfie camera is on the front though

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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It's funny, as my phone (A 2022 Moto Razr) can work as PC, if I plug it into a monitor with it's USB-C port. I can plug it into a monitor, and plug a mouse and keyboard into the monitor's inbuilt USB-C hub, and it works just fine. Has a desktop mode and everything! If the monitor doesn't have a hub in it, I can use the phone as a mouse/touchpad! Plus, if the monitor supports it, it'll even keep it charged rather than…

I had a Huawei P20 Pro that did much the same back in 2018. I never really used it for much, a bit of light browsing and really just as a gimmick, buit yeah, there was a desktop of sorts and you could use all the apps, and the touchpad/mouse thing worked. You could attach a bluetooth keyboard too, IIRC. Kindof a shame my iphone doesn't do this (I assume, I haven't tried), but I'm not sure if I'd use it.

iPhone has good support for peripherals, hubs and external displays, but lacks a desktop mode.

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This and also I don't want a tumor on the back of my phone. Can we go back to flat bodies at the expense of camera quality? For some of us phone cameras are really not _that_ important.

And in 2024 can't software make up for fewer/thinner lenses for the average use case?

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This and also I don't want a tumor on the back of my phone. Can we go back to flat bodies at the expense of camera quality? For some of us phone cameras are really not _that_ important.

Yes please. The camera on my phone is there to be serviceable, not amazing. If I wanted that I would get a separate camera.

Re: Unless my phone can be a PC, I don't want to keep paying for extra performance

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Maybe because the Atrix is from 13 years ago? They mentioned the Dex, a much more recent product with the same goals.

Which is precisely why I would expect it to be the start of such a discussion. The "use your smartphone as your PC" thing has been attempted again and again for, as you said, 13 years. Generally it's a commercial failure because it turns out that isn't something most people want. That seems hugely important to such a conversation.

> Generally it's a commercial failure because it turns out that isn't something most people want.

What the people definitely didn't want was the performance of 2011 smartphone for desktop. The use case didn't fail, that device failed because the limits at the time made the phone desktop impractical. And I remember it not being a stellar smartphone either.

But every smartphone also failed until they didn't fail anymore because they were good enough. Phones today have astounding levels of performance so they can easily serve as desktops.

Starting the discussion from impractical attempts made "ages" ago (in tech terms) is a nice bit of historical trivia but not an indictment of the "phone desktop" idea. It's like starting every discussion about EVs with how early 20th century EVs failed because people don't want EVs.

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This is why I want my phone to be like a game console and not a desktop (Windows/Linux) PC:

I turn it on, it does stuff. I don't need to fiddle about with it.

I stop using a piece of software, the OS makes sure it can't hog resources in the background without a good reason.

It updates software automatically, usually overnight. I don't need to manually run commands to update.

This is why I use an iPhone.

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A smartphone is an appliance like a washing machine or a blender. It should just work. I will gladly pay extra for appliances that perform well. I will gladly pay extra for appliances that require no maintenance and can’t be broken. If I want something unreliable I can program or hack, I will go to a real PC.

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It would not be hard for them to do this, and some apps exist to emulate a desktop environment when you plug the iPhone into a dock and hook it up to a monitor, but it's pretty sad that Apple won't embrace something like this. Despite the fact that the largest iPhone and smallest iPad are less than 2" difference, the $130 Apple Pencil will not work with an iPhone Pro Max, and both devices run different operating syst…

Contra Microsoft which tried to use Windows as a beachhead to everything, Apple has actually been pretty successful. I do expect to see more convergence over time. But, even if there are self-interested reasons for not sprinting in that direction, I also think there are good reasons for keeping use cases (e.g. phone/consumer/creator) a bit separated in the near-term rather than forcing everyone in one bucket.

I was in a Microsoft event 15-20 years ago. They showed a fantasy video of a construction foreman leaving his house with his phone, casting its contents to different devices (his TV, stereo, car) on the go etc.

I still can't do that with any Microsoft system. I've been able to do it with Apple devices for a good 5-10 years.

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