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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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We've been in the prologue to Version 3 since the end of WWII. It's the nature of what we, the citizenry, have allowed to happen with our governments and multinational corps: destruction of the environment, subjugation of the people, and arming themselves to the teeth instead of prioritizing peace and prosperity for one and all. Compassion is the only viable step forward, and its manifestation requires stopping the b…

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Far-right, Trump, Incels, White-Males, Patriarchy... Pick your poison...

The view from inside a bubble

All definitions of "enemy", are views "from inside a bubble".

I suppose if you have people shooting and bombing you, "enemy" is a fair label to put on them. Those are the only types of "enemies" that are the same whether the view is from inside or outside the bubble.

But most of these people talking about their "enemies", are not in those situations at all.

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Almost everyone in Korea is completely shocked, including most people who voted for him in the presedential elections. This is in a country where no one bats an eye even when sirens go off.

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Yes, Putin meddling in North Korea should be alarming to South Korea.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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It sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this?

> sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this If the President is accusing "the country’s opposition of controlling the parliament, sympathizing with North Korea and paralyzing the government with anti-state activities," that vote will take place without the opposition. (It's mindblowing they left this in their Constitution after the 80s.)

A question from the other side of the world: if the opposition is controlling the parliament, isn't that the majority and isn't the opposition controlling the president?

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> This is just domestic politics, not related to international events as far as I can tell Korea is the largest shipbuilder in America's system of alliances [1]. Seoul would be critical in a war in the Pacific [2]. Korea flipping from democracy to conservative autocracy has geopolitical implications. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_shipbuildi... [2] https://www.voanews.com/a/us-navy-looking-to-s…

But conservative autocracies have traditionally been America's allies, like, erm, South Korea during the cold war. So same old, same old? I guess it might piss off China though if they do go truly looney.

> conservative autocracies have traditionally been America's allies, like, erm, South Korea during the cold war. So same old, same old?

"President Yoon has taken an overwhelmingly pro-US policy compared to previous presidents," and his "PPP is fiercely anti-communist and advocates a hawkish policy against North Korea" [1].

On the other hand, "conservatives in South Korea place more importance on economic pragmatism than liberals, so they try to avoid friction with China on Cross-Strait relations, Korean culture and Korean history" (Id.).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Party_(South_Kore...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

The rest of the replies here seem to be personal attitudes and opinions.

Objectively, the state-promoted bogeymen in the USA are consistently Iran, China, DPRK, and increasingly Russia.

I just spent a month in China and the disparity between what we are told in western media and what is actually going on is substantial, but not in the ways I expected.

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> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

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No, like five people in the west were convinced of that and they spent all their free time screeching about it on Twitter.

Everyone else knew the difference between masks and literal martial law.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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The reason given is to root out pro-North Korean elements. How is red scare stuff still a thing?

With a nuclear armed neighbor sharing a language and a heavily armed border with paranoid leaders, of course it’s still a thing.
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