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The best advice I ever received, and will give again. It has really served me well. In the words of John Lennon, let it be. Sleep when you're tired, work and play when you're not. The constrination and worrying about it, how much time you have for what, etc. is the single biggest driver for the stress and loss of sleep. Let go of that, let if flow, it will.
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Doesn’t work for me, my natural cycle would have me not aligned with the sun and the rest of the world operates aligned with the sun
You are not getting what I'm laying down. I'm not saying this at all. Have an alarm clock, have a schedule. But don't stress about it or "optimize" it. Just do it.
I don’t get tired on a good cadence so this doesn’t work for me. I have to follow a schedule that’s independent of how awake, motivated, or tired I feel.
I wonder it I have this… Both my parents go to bed around 1am and wake up at 7am, and so did all of my grandparents. My kids on weekends go to bed around 1-2am as well but do sleep in, and my average is about 4-5 hours a night… As for me, I’ve had sleep issues all my life and found the only way to fall asleep within 20 minutes is to stay up until exhaustion. But lately I’ve been gaining back my time and pushing even…
Sleep starting late + driving to exhaustion + occasional night skipping then catchup sounds almost like DSPD: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder That one sleeps 4-5h per night also sounds like one light/deep/REM sleep cycle, of which there would typically be two in an idealised 8h-ish "night". There are hypotheses out there that a single 8h block of sleep is a myth - possibly socially induce…
I don’t think 8 hours is a myth, but more like that was what was observed in the 60s when the Stanford Sleep Research Centre by William Dement ran their first experiments on keeping people in white rooms without stimulation until their bodies found a natural rhythm.
It would be interesting to know if those experiments have been replicated and if there were any deviations!
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Doesn’t work for me, my natural cycle would have me not aligned with the sun and the rest of the world operates aligned with the sun
You are not getting what I'm laying down. I'm not saying this at all. Have an alarm clock, have a schedule. But don't stress about it or "optimize" it. Just do it.
Lots of people can’t do that, we need to manage our sleep. The thing that helped me not worry about sleep was the routine. But that needs to be maintained and tweaked. I don’t worry about it, but have to think about it.
Things like apnea and even a bad pillow/mattress combination can make someone's sleeping hours pretty miserable, and that's much easier to control and spread awareness than promoting gene therapy
I work in the sleep space, particularly enhancing slow-wave sleep - the synchronous firing of neurons which define deep sleep, the most restorative and vital component of sleep. Only focusing on the amount of time asleep is a significantly limited viewpoint, but I believe this will change in the coming years as we gather more knowledge of sleep and access to EEG data about our brain activity during sleep increases. O…
Any idea what pricing will be like once this is released for sale?
I wonder it I have this… Both my parents go to bed around 1am and wake up at 7am, and so did all of my grandparents. My kids on weekends go to bed around 1-2am as well but do sleep in, and my average is about 4-5 hours a night… As for me, I’ve had sleep issues all my life and found the only way to fall asleep within 20 minutes is to stay up until exhaustion. But lately I’ve been gaining back my time and pushing even…
Taking more than 20 minutes to get to sleep is not that unusual as I understand it. I think 30 minutes minutes is quite common even in people who sleep fine. 4-5 hours is very short though. One of my parents also slept little and there is also dementia on that side of the family (I have some memory issues as well already). I don't know how much previous gnerations slept but I suspect there may be not so benign genetic short sleep issues as well. At least some issues may have susceptibility and a triggering event, with tech making the triggering event more likely. That would be another question about benign familial short sleep, if it increases the susceptibility to more severe issues.
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You've got it backwards, the awake part of life is the sacrifice all living beings have to make to support the primary function of dreaming.
This is a fun thought experiment, but our working definition of life is something along the lines of heritable metabolizing, which dreaming doesn't so obviously serve.
That's a really nice phrase - thank you.
Hmm, searches for `"heritable metabolizing"` have like no hits, *bolism only a few.
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This is a fun thought experiment, but our working definition of life is something along the lines of heritable metabolizing, which dreaming doesn't so obviously serve.
A wild tangent but reading “heritable metabolizing” really hit me on the “are viruses alive” question. I’ve been around enough biotech to have considered the differences between plasmids and viruses versus archaea, bacteria, and eukaryotes. I’ve always considered “heritable change” as the base definition of “life”. As in, “life” is progeny resemble their parent(s)? Or “heritable change”. “Heritable metabolizing” quit…
I years ago saw a research talk by someone doing, IIRC, regional-sized evolutionary-time-duration multi-scale ecosystem simulation - they made the same call.
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Sleep starting late + driving to exhaustion + occasional night skipping then catchup sounds almost like DSPD: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder That one sleeps 4-5h per night also sounds like one light/deep/REM sleep cycle, of which there would typically be two in an idealised 8h-ish "night". There are hypotheses out there that a single 8h block of sleep is a myth - possibly socially induce…
Interesting, thanks for the link! I don’t think 8 hours is a myth, but more like that was what was observed in the 60s when the Stanford Sleep Research Centre by William Dement ran their first experiments on keeping people in white rooms without stimulation until their bodies found a natural rhythm. It would be interesting to know if those experiments have been replicated and if there were any deviations!
What's interesting is my daughter has similar symptoms as you and has been diagnosed with Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder (DSPD). She's recently been prescribed a dose of melatonin which she takes an hour before the time she wants to go to sleep.
That appears to have helped somewhat.