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Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

moktonar wrote: post #113
hagbard_c wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wearing a helmet makes falling more likely? Vaccination makes disease more likely? Fire drills increase the chance of fire? Information about bear awareness makes bear encounters more likely? Of course not. Civil defence is a good thing, sticking your head in the sand is not. Also, the brochure is not just about war but also about other crises. Sweden can experience 'interesting' weather which can leave people out of…

No but in places where you're likely to fall, be sure there will be pamphlets that tell you to wear a helmet...

But the pamphlets weren't the ones making you more likely to fall.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by orf »

mdp2021 wrote: post #148
fsckboy wrote: post #145

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yes, that doesn't suffer from gambler's fallacy, but actually surprises people and makes them forget about the issue you're talking about and focus on the probabilities that they don't understand and have no tools to understand... and that's when the 1 in a million event takes place, while they are distracted

> that they don't understand and have no tools to understand Why are they not scholarized? What are they doing in the wild? There's an infestation and it is mentioned marginally, as opposed to red-level crisis?! > while they are distracted They should be trained towards the conditions for focus pre-emptively!

We live in the real world though. As you know.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by michaelt »

bilbo0s wrote: post #51
rootusrootus wrote: post #35

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NATO and Russia go at it and everyone is screwed, there will be no winners, nobody on the sidelines, no picking through the spoils.

Despite what Hollywood would have you believe, there would be nations that survive a NATO/Russia war. Namely, any nation in the Southern Hemisphere not called Australia or New Zealand. Mother Nature's winds and Father Physic's half lives combine to give unaligned southern hemisphere nations the break of a lifetime. (Or of a species' lifetime I guess?) All that said, you are absolutely right about "spoils". No one is…

In the past, things like volcanic eruptions have detectable effects on world temperatures and crop yields.

During the cold war, there was a widespread theory that an all-out nuclear war would produce a similar effect; there are, after all, a great many warheads out there. So it was theorised that even countries that didn't participate in a nuclear war would end up with crop failures and mass starvation. The so-called "nuclear winter" or "nuclear holocaust".

Thankfully this theory has not yet been put to the test.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by mdp2021 »

orf wrote: post #162
mdp2021 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that they don't understand and have no tools to understand Why are they not scholarized? What are they doing in the wild? There's an infestation and it is mentioned marginally, as opposed to red-level crisis?! > while they are distracted They should be trained towards the conditions for focus pre-emptively!

We live in the real world though. As you know.

Yes Orb, and it's a problem, and that's why we engineer! ;)

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by mdp2021 »

sgjohnson wrote: post #155
mdp2021 wrote: post #15

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> conventional artillery to turn St Petersburg to rubble Well, let's really hope not. (Let us hope that nothing of worth is ever destroyed, and let us not speak about destruction of universal goods lightly.) Edit: let us be even more clear (possibly in light of the dismissing feelers who just passed by). If you are into destruction of the cultural heritage, you are the enemy. Complexities just come later.

No such thing as cultural heritage if destroying it would achieve the war goal of significantly lower the enemy's morale, irrespective of what international law says about it.

It's not a matter of law, it's a matter of judgement: in front of a threat to what should be respected every cell in the world should become and antibody to erase what revealed as the lowlest scum from the actors.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by yencabulator »

daneel_w wrote: post #60

The literal title is "If the crisis or the war comes". Swedes and the Swedish language has a somewhat poetic tendency to refer to things in definite article, embodying them, when wanting to underline the seriousness.

If a war reaches Sweden in the next years, I think it's safe to say we know which war it will be.

It's like the Finnish defense forces. Their training exercises have the OPFOR, the imaginary opposing force usually designated with the color yellow for the sake of the exercise, approaching from the East. Funny that, wonder why.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by yencabulator »

kkfx wrote: post #146
7952 wrote: post #127

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War and survival are communal activities. Tight dense communities tend to do better as people can support each other. Isolated dwellings are just ridiculously vulnerable in comparison. The next group of hungry/angry people who turn up will roll right over you. If you want to survive you should have neighbors and make friends with them.

Not in all known wars so far. In all wars we know cities are bombing, hungry, criminal while SPREAD (not isolated) areas are often simply ignored by the war and in nature you can both source and produce food. Beside in spread area you have friends as well as in city, but there we are all collaborative even when we do not like each other much because we are few, in cities we are strangers in the crowd.

This sounds like rural beliefs about something that you personally dislike. Enjoy your bubble!

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by yencabulator »

joe_the_user wrote: post #92
sdwr wrote: post #21

That's what a functional government looks like. High-information, low-controversy, consolidating citizens around a shared truth.

A pamphlet talking about "in case of war..." seems like it is making war itself more likely. "Shared truth" seems like it's reaching also.

That pamphlet is not new, they've been doing it since WWII.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by daneel_w »

yencabulator wrote: post #167
daneel_w wrote: post #60

The literal title is "If the crisis or the war comes". Swedes and the Swedish language has a somewhat poetic tendency to refer to things in definite article, embodying them, when wanting to underline the seriousness.

If a war reaches Sweden in the next years, I think it's safe to say we know which war it will be. It's like the Finnish defense forces. Their training exercises have the OPFOR, the imaginary opposing force usually designated with the color yellow for the sake of the exercise, approaching from the East. Funny that, wonder why.

While this Swedish linguistic tendency isn't related to Russia, on that topic we have an old saying: "Lede fi [archaic: evil enemy] kommer från öst."
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