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Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
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Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#162wow. That's genuinely scary. Sitting on top of a lithium fire while locked in seems terrifying. I wonder whether legislators should require inclusion of one of those glass break hammers in each car?
If they're going to legislate anything it should be that door handles (internal and external) just can't be like that in the first place. I say external and internal because a few articles went around HN a little while ago of parents ending up with their kids locked in teslas on hot days and unable to get out because the stupid thing had no mechanical external door handles.
It really troubles me that in many countries we have to ponder legislating something as fundamental as car door handles. Like, yes, regulations are written in blood, but door handles? Do we really need to be told to make door handles mechanical and where door handles go? It's just absurd to me that these doors were designed as such in the first place.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be a fantastic idea: sell printed Tesla safety cards in the style of airplane safety cards.
I think it'd be fantastic to not need it in the first place. It is just utterly beyond reason that this is even a thing.
Sorry, I meant “fantastic” in the same sense as the fight club airplane safety cards: for example https://www.etsy.com/listing/1017594442/project-mayhem-fligh...
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is an "unlikely event" for any given passenger is nearly a 100% certainty for Tesla. The engineers and product managers who came up with that solution probably have trouble sleeping at night these days.
Someone told me something that stuck with me: "for any system with millions of users a 1 in a million event happens multiple times a day"
I think the original quote was "One in a million is next Tuesday": https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/larryosterma...
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#165My Chevrolet truck while having an actual door latch, doesn’t open the doors if they’re locked. You have to pull twice. Is that an electronic counter (likely) or mechanical? If the latter, no big deal, if the former it’s even worse than the Tesla - at least my MY has a separate mechanical over ride.
older generation BMWs do this same thing; it's achieved by a ratchet system on the door handle that interacts with the mechanically actuated lock. it isn't electronic in the case of BMW. I don't know what Chevrolet does.
I dont trust that it’s a pure mechanical system
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#166Everyone should have a glass breaker in their car. Even if the car has mechanical doors.
arnt car seat headrests designed for this use?
You remove it from the seat and the "poles" are tapered for this purpose...
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#167Was watching a video on the new Lexus RX 350s and they are moving to electronic door mechanisms too. Talk about solving a problem that doesn't exist - oh how I loathe modern vehicles.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#168Another similar incident happened around a week after that one: https://www.channel3000.com/news/dane-county-sheriffs-office... . One thing to note is that the car doors in Teslas are electrically controlled and a different failsafe method of opening the doors is required when the electrical system isn't working. Here's the steps for manually opening the Model Y's rear doors (car in the story the post links to): http…
I'm always surprised to see this comment without seeing a response that this is required by law in the United States. Remember child locks? They are on all cars. The manual release cannot override the child lock so it has to be hidden to meet federal law.
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#169> Tesla has faced criticism in the past for the design of its manual release levers, which are considered poorly designed and unintuitively placed. These emergency measures require intimate knowledge of the car, something that may not be feasible in a panic situation. First, how is this remotely legal? Are there not safety standards to ensure adults can easily exit a vehicle on fire? Second, regardless of regulations…
US safety standards require that a child cannot manually open a rear door if child locks are engaged. An emergency manual release can't appear and disappear depending on whether the electronic button is enabled. Children die this way in all cars.
Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash
#170wow. That's genuinely scary. Sitting on top of a lithium fire while locked in seems terrifying. I wonder whether legislators should require inclusion of one of those glass break hammers in each car?
If they're going to legislate anything it should be that door handles (internal and external) just can't be like that in the first place. I say external and internal because a few articles went around HN a little while ago of parents ending up with their kids locked in teslas on hot days and unable to get out because the stupid thing had no mechanical external door handles. It really troubles me that in many countrie…
The irony is that rear doors don't have emergency overrides easily accessible because of federal regulations. If we did, children would use them when the child lock is enabled.