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Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#161
These calculations read like an episode of Silicon Valley.

Sure the banners are a stupid idea and a little annoying, but these figures have no merit. There's no way 500m hours of productivity are going to materialize from removing the banners. Removing 'please subscribe' popups, and other ads, now that's altogether different...

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#162
There's a more insidious effect of cookie banners, which is that they make it annoying to follow external links, especially to websites that you haven't visited before. This disadvantages websites built for external links, like HN.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#163

People blame the cookie banners themselves or the legislation that "made them necessary" but somehow never seem to blame the web companies for doing the naughty things on their websites that make them subject to the law. The "cookie banner problem" exists because it's primarily end users that are shouldering the burden of them, and not the companies. For the company, it's a one time JIRA ticket for a junior software…

I hope you'll be glad to know that this law already hits companies where it hurts, because many people will close the tab after the slightest annoyance.

I hope you're happy that this law already encourages people to stay within a few big websites (where they've already clicked away the cookie banner) and not explore anything new (where they'd have to click away a cookie banner every time).

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #150

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Huh? You're still a personal data processor.

For a start: Section 18 directly indemnifies the GP because they’re not a commercial entity. Section 49 gives, additionally, specific carve outs for logging even if they were a commercial entity. Consent is needed to pass logging data to third parties or to process it beyond end user functionality. Its easier to just read the regulation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj

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Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #38

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> predictable that ultimately people would blame the regulation instead of the companies It was predictable this would result in disclosure/consent spam. > No need to prove compliance if GDPR doesn't apply If you are in the EU, GDPR applies. It may not be relevant. But you’re subject to it and its regulatory arms. (And if you have a competitor in the EU, it’s known practice you can waste time and money with requests…

> If you are in the EU, GDPR applies. It may not be relevant. But you’re subject to it and its regulatory arms. I think you might be missing that I'm talking about this from the companies perspective, not from the perspective of a person inside EU. If the company doesn't store any "personal data", GDPR has nothing to do with it. It's strictly about "personal data" as defined here: https://gdpr.eu/article-4-definition…

I built a GDPR request deletion system for a company right as GDPR came into effect. In the first year the only requests that came in were from privacy advocates and competitors.

I don’t know if after that it saw more natural usage but I doubt it.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#166
Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by Youtube ads in .

OMFG!!! YOUTUBE IS COSTING THE WORLD *750B EUR* PER YEAR.

How many hours of productivity are lost to Youtube ads?

2.49 billion active users, average seems to be 29 hours per month, reddit reports 4 ads/10 minutes lately - so 24 ads/hour, 5 seconds each (even though that went up!), so 2mins of ads/hour or 1 hour of ads per month, 12 hours of ads per year!

12 hours * 25 Eur/hour * 2.5B = 750B Eur

(probably made some mistakes)

Also, this article is ridiculous - like assuming all 400M European internet users are "productive" at 25Eur/h (30% are probably 65), people clicking 1200 banners per year because they visit 100 sites/month (12*100, right?!) and so on.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #66

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And by hitting that ”deny” button, you have ”consented” to hundreds if not thousands of data brokers around the world processing all your personal data gathered throughout your life across all your devices. They can now freely buy your data from other brokers to enrich their profile of you. Should have unchecked those 973 legitimate interest checkboxes they hid under the ”affiliates” or ”vendors” or ”providers” or wh…

If they're doing that after you clicked Deny, the government can come down hard on them. Sadly, only the government - individuals can't sue companies for GDPR violations.

Article 79 [1] gives individuals a right to sue for GDPR violations.

[1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-79-gdpr/

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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post #147

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So how to these things actually work?

Anything goes as long as it is useful for the user. Funny example: If they chose not to accept your spying cookies you get to set a cookie to store that choice.

Someone might think: surely seeing ads targeted for them instead of random ads must be useful / beneficial for the user!

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#169
post #6

Hop into your uBlock Origin settings and enable the Cookie Banner filters. Fixed. Enable the Annoyances filters too, while you're in there. If you're on iOS, the Kill Sticky bookmarklet does a decent job of cleaning these up without breaking most sites: https://www.smokingonabike.com/2024/01/20/take-back-your-web...

Since when do bookmarklets work on iOS? How exactly do I use that?

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

#170
post #19

If websites respected Do Not Track then things would be a lot easier. I think we need a right to be listened to. Right now it's enough online to insist on only accepting information in one particular way, like having a noreply email and making people login and submit since shitty web form to respond. Putting your hands over your ears and tape over your mail slot doesn't work in real life, it shouldn't work on the web…

I agree with you 100%, but to be ideologically consistent, we should admit that websites have as much of a right to ignore Do Not Track as we have to ignore their tracking scripts.
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