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Re: Boston Dynamics robot Atlas goes hands on [video]

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While humanoid robots are neat, if not uncanny, I would love to see robots with forms optimized for their work. A large octopus with legs would be ideal for this sort of parts handling job.

Or just a bunch of conveyor belts, magnets, clips etc. A "boring" but proven, optimized, sorting machine really.

Though the demo is awesome, the use case is bad. This "problem" of sorting and moving parts around, has long been "solved". It can be forever optimized, sure. But humanoid robots are definitely not that optimization.

Re: Boston Dynamics robot Atlas goes hands on [video]

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See, this is a real video. Compare it with the obvious cgi fake that was put out a few months ago by Figure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw I still can't believe how noone has called them out on that one.

How do you know the figure 1 demo was fake?

Motion is the telltale sign. It's too smooth in their video. Real physical mechanisms shake a bit, the actuators have a bit of backlash, the whole structure wobbles a bit when a limb is moved due to torque, etc. The micro-movements are missing from the Figure 01 video, because they are hard to simulate convincingly. Basically, their robot moves like Optimis Prime in a Transformers movie. Unnatural, and un-physical.

You might not be able to see it if you don't know what to look for, just like how some people seem unable to notice when that ugly motion interpolation is turned on their TV ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Boston Dynamics robot Atlas goes hands on [video]

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See, this is a real video. Compare it with the obvious cgi fake that was put out a few months ago by Figure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw I still can't believe how noone has called them out on that one.

Well, anything could be fake these days even the Boston Dynamic's video could be fake in this day and age but... I tend to believe both videos probably are not fake. With speech recognition, text to speech AGI and the advancements in machine learning as applied to robotics, it is not impossible for many or any committed enough group of engineers with financial means to make some notable progress on that front. So it…

But Figure 01 do have real videos of their robot walking. Compare the wobbliness in those videos vs the one I've linked. The difference is easily noticeable. One moves like a physical thing, the other moves like a scripted rigid body simulation from a game cutscene.

Also, I didn't say what they demoed was impossible (other than the unnaturally smooth motion). There's probably good reason they went with a cgi video, but we don't know.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the exact point they’re trying to make is that a humanoid robot can pick up one shift exactly where a human left off. No custom robotics, no workplace changes, etc. This is huge for the industry. Smarter Every Day visited a frisbee factory and they had automated a bunch of things. However, every automation point was extremely protected (fenced off) so that a bumbling human couldn’t walk somewhere and get a li…

When steam and coal engines gave way to gas and electric engines in factories, it took decades before factories were reconfigured to adjust to the smaller sized engines that didn't require one major axle running through the entire factory. As a consequence the first gas engines were huge - over time they shrunk. I bet the same will happen with robotics, where humanoid will be the primary form factor at first for gene…

These efficiënt forms are there. In use. Proven. Have been for decades.

Cranes, carts, lorries, conveyor belts (with vision), my robot vacuum cleaner, my bread baking machine, a car wash, a dishwasher, the ticket gates at the underground, the coffee machine at our office and so on.

Re: Boston Dynamics robot Atlas goes hands on [video]

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Well at this rate the dishes will be done sometime next week.

Whereas my current "robot", aka my dishwasher, has them done in 20 mins (or 90 mins eco setting).

Specialized automation is there, proven, efficient. It can be improved, sure (easier (un)loading?), but I doubt a generalized, humanoid robot is the best way towards these improvements.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unitree is catching up to Boston Dynamics in locomotion, but has not surpassed them yet I think. Unitree's real advantage is the much lower cost of their hardware and their ability to mass produce their robots. But IMO manipulation is harder than locomotion, both in hardware and software, and neither company is convincingly ahead there. I think the uncut laundry demo from Physical Intelligence a few days ago is bette…

Why do robot companies insist on beating up their robots?

Because that's what you'll do when you have a bad day, and this piece of trash gets stuck for the 5th time this week.

Re: Boston Dynamics robot Atlas goes hands on [video]

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what a relief it will be to be released from doing manual tasks for a living and to be able to finally engage every waking moment in an all against all struggle for power.

In the future we'll all get to be "idea men". (And be famous for 15 minutes.)
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