Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

lwn.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

161–170 of 314 posts

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#161

Post by Wytwwww »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #33
jiggawatts wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> That freedom means giving enemies unfettered access to our most sensitive systems? Do you imply that Linux is a technology controlled by Western state actors? > I would like to remind you of the recent XZ utils backdoor into SSH contributed by a less than friendly nation state. Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state?

> Linux is a technology controlled by Western state actors?

Not directly, but sort of? Isn't this specific case an actual example of that?

> Would you support a backdoor contributed by a friendly nation state

The theoretical risk of that somewhat lower. i.e. government actors in friendly nation states could face somewhat serious consequences if they try that and it backfires. Russian government would face no risk or consequences whatsoever if they conspired to murder someone or imprison them on trumped up charges.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#162

Post by Wytwwww »

jiggawatts wrote: post #100
an_guy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sanctions. Complying with local law or operating in those countries might break sanctions.

China is not sanctioned.

Yes but the cost of doing business in China can outweigh most potential gains (e.g. Google).

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#163

Post by Wytwwww »

ogurechny wrote: post #120
jiggawatts wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say "western"! Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea... and everybody else. I can deploy an Azure or AWS cloud server right now in any one of several dozen nations, including Malaysia, Indonesia, Chile, Qatar, Israel, and Mexico. I can't deploy VMs in Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea. Not just because of sanctions, but because they don'…

> Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two Someone who is so dependent on media images that he declares them unquestionable truths in advance is probably unqualified to reason about propaganda.

It is self evident, though? Russia, NK and Iran at least.. I wouldn't necessarily say that China is technically on Russia's side. Not to such a degree that most Western countries are on Ukraine's side.

They even comply with some sanctions and AFAIK aren't actually sending weapons to Russia.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#164

Post by TiredOfLife »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #153
v1ne wrote: post #142

The email thread continues. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Which I find pretty concerning statements, quite a disservice to the community. It's a…

[flagged]

If it walks, talks, and looks like a duck it's probably a duck.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#165

Post by Wytwwww »

ogurechny wrote: post #123
matrix2003 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pretty evident at this point that any Russian citizen in Russia or with family in Russia can be coerced, and it’s also pretty clear that Putin specifically does not have good intentions. There are lots of good people there. It’s too bad there is a crazy person at the helm.

It is evident everyone CAN be coerced. Not that everyone WILL BE, because some people still think of themselves as people, not some “honest citizens” or “economic agents”. It is also evident that someone quite far from Russia HAS ALREADY BEEN coerced to make that unannounced change, but you try really hard to look the other way. “Those Linux nerds” were shown who's the boss in the room when it comes to “important mat…

The cost/risk to the Russian government of coercing someone to do anything is approximately zero. Not so much in the US/etc., the risk of negative consequences is not insignificant?

> were shown who's the boss in the room when it comes to “important matters”.

Or Linus just doesn't like Russia(ns)? Why is there a need for some conspiracy?

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#166

Post by Wytwwww »

homebrewer wrote: post #11
lawn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Putins opinion on the war he started" undersells the issue that Russia has actively been undermining, killing, and sabotaging in western countries.

[flagged]

Because appeasement generally always works out long-term?

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#167

Post by Wytwwww »

elzbardico wrote: post #92
FredPret wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If America isn’t perfect, does that mean its enemies must be? Surely you don’t live in so simple a world? Anyway, us encroaching on Russian interests (debatable) is hardly an excuse for them to go blowing up a country full of innovent civilians.

[flagged]

[flagged]

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

#170

Post by Wytwwww »

protomolecule wrote: post #128
lawn wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

[flagged]

That certainly absolves Sadam of the tens of thousands of murders committed by his government. That's a perfectly reasonable and sane take.

Hitler himself faced quite a few false accusations (e.g. even for crimes actually committed by the Soviets). Certainly that would mean that he did nothing wrong according to a troll like yourself?

Post reply on HN