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JBiserkov wrote: post #149
kitsune_ wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that while for huge conglomerates such as Samsung and companies like Apple this is a mere game for their law departments, it's much more serious for the small developer? Big corporations could pretty much shut down any start up if they wanted to. The reverse is not true. Could Panic Software have sued Apple because of the Audion / iTunes story? So what good is the patent law if it only benefits th…

What good is any law since it only benefits the powerful?

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Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by rsheridan6 »

briandear wrote: post #113
baby wrote: post #82

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I extremely disagree with you, a boycott is the perfect weapon again a big brand like apple. People just tell others about it, and it's just really bad for their image.

The average person doesn't care. I'm in this industry and I barely care. Watching Google and Apple is like watching NBA players scuffling over the last bottle of champagne. The average person just wants to use their phone, update their Facebook and find out what Snooki is up too. A boycot organized on a site that the muggles have barely heard of over an issue that they don't give two shits about isn't going to affect…

True, but developers are more likely to care, and they matter a lot more than the average user. A lot of developers preferred not to use Microsoft products when MS was the evil empire, and there would probably be an MS monopoly now if they hadn't.

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Post by pillock »

jrockway wrote: post #62

This is really a non-issue. Tech companies sue each other and get import bans all the time. The victim eventually moves some UI widget three pixels to the right and the import ban is lifted and life moves on. The only real consequence of all this is that lawyers on both sides make a lot of money. Google is not going to stop making Android and Apple is not going to stop making iOS. Both will just advance more slowly b…

The fact that "Tech companies sue each other and get import bans all the time" doesn't strike me as being "a non-issue". It's strange that your summary of said "non-issue" comes across so negatively.

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Post by mkr-hn »

Afal wrote: post #158
shimfish wrote: post #90

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To save you the trouble, it's a stream of content free fanboyism and witless photoshoppery. Every single comment would be downvoted to oblivion if it were posted here.

on reddit however...

If you actually used Reddit you would notice that most ignorant and outright trollish comments are downvoted into oblivion. You see a lot more awful comments, but that's only because Reddit is larger. They're treated the same.

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Post by recoiledsnake »

raganesh wrote: post #155
ralfn wrote: post #136

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Loan shark. Fair enough. Although i do want to emphasize that only offensive parties are being hit with the frand patents. I really do think thats the most relevant moral ground here.

I disagree on the offensive party part - in Feb 2012, Google/Motorola used a pager-era patent to get an injunction against multiple Apple devices[1] in Germany. Apple had to disable iCloud push email feature to get their products back on shelf. [1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/02/apple-faces-double-wham...

I am sorry, but given your submission history I find it hard to believe that you are not aware of the fact that Apple started suing Motorola in Germany first.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motor...

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Post by keithpeter »

buro9 wrote: post #29
mryall wrote: post #19

More interesting than a bunch of chatter on Google Plus is this article on Forbes, "Could Steve Jobs actually win his thermonuclear war?": http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/30/could-steve-jobs-actu... I don't think this will be the last of Apple's actions against Android. When Steve said they'd "patented the hell out of" the iPhone, I got the sense he really wasn't joking.

They've patented the hell out of everything that they've done in the last decade with the iPhone, but the very foundations that they stand on have been patented the hell out of by Motorola, Ericsson, Nokia, etc for the decades prior. Standing on someone else's foundations isn't the best place from which to start a thermonuclear patent war.

Especially as the people you are aiming your thermonuclear weapons at happen to be part of your supply chain (or trading closely with them)

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Post by jasonlotito »

shimfish wrote: post #90
boredguy8 wrote: post #12

Wow that live stream update is a nightmare - I keep trying to read what's happened and things get pushed down almost immediately. A clickable (or w/e) "18 new posts" would make it usable.

To save you the trouble, it's a stream of content free fanboyism and witless photoshoppery. Every single comment would be downvoted to oblivion if it were posted here.

> Every single comment would be downvoted to oblivion if it were posted here.

Well, after reading the comments in this thread here, and some of the comments over on Google+, I'm gonna have to say you got that prediction wrong. =)

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Post by msabalau »

chmars wrote: post #84

Why is such a trend on Google+ relevant? As much as I would like to embrace Google+ as a Facebook alternative, Google+ has still a very limited audience – and, of course, a very Android-focus audience … EDIT: Downvoting my comment just because it isn't enthusiastic on Google+? Comm'on!

It is appealing to see a down-voting complaint for an unpopular opinion related to a comment which dismisses a trend on Google+ being irrelevant because the network is relatively unpopular.

I doubt the 75 million people who use Google+ consider themselves a "very limited audience."

Regardless, not a reason for down-voting.

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Post by shawnee_ »

Something about Koh's overwhelming bias for Apple seems really suspicious. It's one thing to preeminently ban sales of product A for reason X, but to also ban sales of product B for reason Y where products A and B have the same parent, and where reasons X and Y are completely unrelated? Something is wrong with this picture.

What else could be going on? Maybe I have a cynical view of humanity, but I spent a few minutes digging to see if I could find anything on requirements for District Judges to release tax returns (as they are essentially public officials, right?). Couldn't find anything on that, but generic salary data is available: http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/js_3.html

$175K is probably rather low when you're used to working in the high-stakes world of patent litigation.

It'll be interesting to investigate this with more depth. ( Another interesting / related read: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/27/local/me-judges-pay2... )

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Post by dthunt »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #153
sbuk wrote: post #83

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"...instead of being nice..." There is the problem. Apple is a business, it doesn't exist for altruistic reasons. Neither does Google, no matter how vehemently they say that they do. As others have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be a boycott on Google for their part in the attempt to gain an import ban of the XBox or their support of the alleged abuse of FRAND patents, both by their newly acquired subsidiary. App…

> there doesn't seem to be a boycott on Google for their part in the attempt to gain an import ban of the XBox or their support of the alleged abuse of FRAND patents, both by their newly acquired subsidiary. That is because the perception is that they're using it to countersue Microsoft and Apple who filed the first volleys. >Apple are playing the same legal game as Google are. No, Apple was the initial aggressor aga…

All parties here are responsible.

As long as companies keep building up arsenals of shit patents that they can use to justify these preliminary injunctions, or shop jurisdictions, the beatings will continue and make it virtually impossible for new players to enter the market for fear of legal morass.

The issue in the Apple cases that makes me so angry is that they're treating the US patent system like the Japanese 'product design' patents, only impossibly broader and less specific.

This type of nonsense - both from non-practicing trolls and the hegemony of practicing patent trolls - has a real cost. Congress needs to step in and limit the scope on a broad swath of patents, make it harder to get injunctions on this stuff, and generally find ways to penalize anticompetitive behavior.

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