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Re: Bop Spotter

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Why not? Seems to perfect execution to me. Solar powered, neat website, what else could you ask for?

Audio is noise, no songs.

As far as I can tell, by boosting each recording and listening to the purported song in full, I can eventually hear just a snippet of that song. Shazam's algorithm is extremely good.

Re: Bop Spotter

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Pretty sure Apple and Google already do this, just to all phones, in all homes, and not just for music, but your entire life! No consent needed. Have a nice day! :)

Comments like this worry me that HN is being dragged down with the wider culture wars and truthiness that’s destroying all that we have. I would hope for better in this forum.

Your response falls into DH0, DH1, and at best DH2 of Paul Graham's disagreement hierarchy: https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Bop Spotter

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How is he wrong though? "Bad vibes" all you want but there is a reason. The golden ages are over.

How is the OP right? Huge claims require huge evidence; this trope has been disproven over and over again. Security researchers look at exactly this kind of thing, and nevermind this community is full of the people who would actually build such a thing. A massive dragnet isn’t actually as valuable as you think it would be.

It has not been disproven. A simple Google search "is my phone listening to me" provides a resounding yes.

These things need to hear your prompt at the very least, which entails (in many cases, if not most) listening at all times.

Security researchers DO look at this and they, along with everyone else, just shrug because you technically DID give consent when you accepted the thousand line policy you didn't read.

Re: Bop Spotter

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I played, more than once, a few of the sound snippets. I think the Shazam "findings" are highly inaccurate. Fun project nonetheless! walz, could you write more about the setup, maybe to propitiate others to replicate it in other cities?

I've listened to a bunch of the snippets and you can usually just barely hear the sound in the background. Which makes me think Shazam is very accurate. I really should read more about how Shazam's algorithm works, because it feels like magic. The phone records 10 minute chunks of audio at a time, in airplane mode. Every 10 minutes, airplane mode is turned off and the audio is uploaded to a server. The server then sp…

> I really should read more about how Shazam's algorithm works, because it feels like magic.

https://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf

Re: Bop Spotter

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How is the OP right? Huge claims require huge evidence; this trope has been disproven over and over again. Security researchers look at exactly this kind of thing, and nevermind this community is full of the people who would actually build such a thing. A massive dragnet isn’t actually as valuable as you think it would be.

It has not been disproven. A simple Google search "is my phone listening to me" provides a resounding yes. These things need to hear your prompt at the very least, which entails (in many cases, if not most) listening at all times. Security researchers DO look at this and they, along with everyone else, just shrug because you technically DID give consent when you accepted the thousand line policy you didn't read.

Hot word detection to activate an assistant occurs locally on your device for the purpose of activating said assistant. That is a far cry from “Pretty sure Apple and Google already do this, just to all phones, in all homes, and not just for music, but your entire life!” which suggests that both Apple and Google are deploying a dragnet uploading a 24/7 recording to their servers for nefarious purposes. That is just simply not true. That at minimum would leave a constant trail of bytes being sent over the network (which isn’t the case), and would massively drain battery life. It’s also highly illegal.

Re: Bop Spotter

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You can faintly hear the accordion near the end of the recording. I don't like that it shares the recordings though. It doesn't add much value and it's a privacy violation, even if it's legal.

See I’m not sure that it is legal. If they are re-transmitting audio is being played in public over the Internet for potentially many thousands more people, I’m pretty sure the RIAA, the UMG, & the WMG would all have something to say about it.

The clips are a few seconds long and the use does not appear to be commercial, even then their inclusion could be seen as fair use to a reasonable person.

Re: Bop Spotter

#167

Pretty sure Apple and Google already do this, just to all phones, in all homes, and not just for music, but your entire life! No consent needed. Have a nice day! :)

What has happened to HN commenting? Everyone is trying to make reddit hot take comments with a sneer as they type it out. Anyways. This is a cool website.

You dismiss my point by dismissing its tone, but you fail to address the actual substance, which is a failure to follow HN norms in itself.

Agreed, it's a cool website. Very strange how it's seemingly novel, while this tech is actually already deployed to all our phones.

Is that a better, more nuanced, less individualistic, and more conformist way of expressing my idea?

Re: Bop Spotter

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Cool. And I noticed that a surprisingly high number of songs are in Spanish. So I'll venture to hypothesize that this project will identify a correlation between musical taste and preference for how loud it is played, rather than accurately capturing the "musical taste of the neighborhood". Any thoughts on that? Have you tested how loud a song needs to be played in order to be picked up?

Re: Bop Spotter

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Interesting! What is it about, then?

The phrase "turn down" is the opposite of "turn up". To "turn down" would be to decrease the intensity of the party. And "turn down for what" means something like "don't stop the party for any reason".

OK, that makes sense in the context of "another round of shots".

But in my experience, party intensity and music volume are generally correlated, so you would probably turn down the former by turning down the latter.

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Where does gentrification begin and end? The mission went from Ohlone to Spanish to German/Irish/Italian immigrants, then Mexican immigrants, then Central American, then LGBT, then wider punks/misfits and other immigrants including Filipinos, before the techies started moving in. I don’t really understand this term because it seems to suggest before a richer class moves into an area it displaces “the true inhabitants…

It involves a massive increase in housing prices, primarily brought about by artificial supply restrictions, that results in unintentional displacement. The reason the Mission is still variegated is rent control, along with various forms of affordable housing, housesharing, master tenant slumlords, SROs, extended family arrangements, etc. It's a pretty unique and amazing place really.

Yeah I'm sure handshake politics goes a long way in these neighborhoods often to the detriment of the unsuspecting, unconnected and un-special-interest-group attached renters and owners.

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