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Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Well, he is the one that did most of the actual research and work, riiiiight?

I'm ignorant on this topic so please excuse me. Why did `AI` happen now? What was the secret sauce that OpenAI did that seemed to make this explode into being all of a sudden? My general impression was that the concept of 'how it works' existed for a long time, it was only recently that video cards had enough VRAM to hold the matrix(?) within memory to do the necessary calculations. If anybody knows, not just the per…

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Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Consistent here meaning, I guess, that all voting power will go to Sam Altman personally, right?

Well, he is the one that did most of the actual research and work, riiiiight?

No, the hundreds of people who have worked on NNs prior to him arriving were the people who did the MOST actual research and work. Sam was in the right place at the right time.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, he is the one that did most of the actual research and work, riiiiight?

I'm ignorant on this topic so please excuse me. Why did `AI` happen now? What was the secret sauce that OpenAI did that seemed to make this explode into being all of a sudden? My general impression was that the concept of 'how it works' existed for a long time, it was only recently that video cards had enough VRAM to hold the matrix(?) within memory to do the necessary calculations. If anybody knows, not just the per…

A short history:

1986: Geoffrey Hinton publishes the backpropagation algorithm as applied to neural networks, allowing more efficient training.

2011: Jeff Dean starts Google Brain.

2012: Ilya Sutskever and Geoffrey Hinton publish AlexNet, which demonstrates that using GPUs yields quicker training on deep networks, surpassing non-neural-network participants by a wide margin on an image categorization competition.

2013: Geoffrey Hinton sells his team to the highest bidder. Google Brain wins the bid.

2015: Ilya Sutskever founds OpenAI.

2017: Google Brain publishes the first Transformer, showing impressive performance on language translation.

2018: OpenAI publishes GPT, showing that next-token prediction can solve many language benchmarks at once using Transformers, hinting at foundation models. They later scale it and show increasing performance.

The reality is that the ideas for this could have been combined earlier than they did (and plausibly future ideas could have been found today), but research takes time, and researchers tend to focus on one approach and assume that another has already been explored and doesn’t scale to SOTA (as many did for neural networks). First mover advantage, when finding a workable solution, is strong, and benefited OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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The fact that this has just disappeared from the front page for me, just like the previous post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548 ), somehow leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

You can't post content critical of some HN darlings without being flagged by their fans

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Scraping the entire internet for training data without regard for copyright or attribution - specifically to use for generative AI to produce similar content for profit. How this is being allowed to happen legally is baffling. It does suit the modus operandi of a number of American companies that start out as literally illegal/criminal operations until they get big and rich enough to pay a fine for their youthful mis…

Everything is allowed to happen until there's a lawsuit over it. A lawsuit requires a plaintiff, who can only sue over the damage suffered by the plaintiff, so taking a little value from a lot of people is a way to succeed in business without getting sued.

Could a class action suit be the solution?

I've no idea if it could be valid when it comes to OpenAI, but it does seem to be a general concept designed to counter wrongdoers who take a little value from a lot of people?

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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> The most surprising thing to me in this is that the non-profit will still exist. That entity will scrape the internet and train the models and claim that "it's just research" to be able to claim that all is fair-use. At this point it's not even funny anymore.

Scraping the entire internet for training data without regard for copyright or attribution - specifically to use for generative AI to produce similar content for profit. How this is being allowed to happen legally is baffling. It does suit the modus operandi of a number of American companies that start out as literally illegal/criminal operations until they get big and rich enough to pay a fine for their youthful mis…

There is more money on the side of it being legal than on the side of it being illegal.
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