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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

0x_rs wrote: post #98

Too bad. It was a great complement to the increasingly unreliable IA, whose list of blacklisted websites just keeps skyrocketing for opaque reasons. I'm guessing it's still available internally, along with snapshots going far, far back in time.

> Too bad. It was a great complement to the increasingly unreliable IA, whose list of blacklisted websites just keeps skyrocketing for opaque reasons

This could be due to site owners contacting the IA and requesting their site be permanently removed from the archive. It's not as easy as pressing a button, but it's not difficult to have your site removed.

I don't think that the IA itself makes editorial decisions as to which sites to include and which to blacklist. It's more likely that the blacklist is a voluntary opt-in thing...

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by dangsux »

mrkramer wrote: post #158
luizfelberti wrote: post #48

> Then a couple of weeks ago, added [direct] links to the Wayback Machine Hopefully they are also making substantial donations to the Internet Archive, since they will be directing a lot of traffic into it and basically using their infrastructure as a feature on their main product... EDIT: Apparently they are collaborating but there are not much details [0] [0] https://blog.archive.org/2024/09/11/new-feature-alert-ac…

>Hopefully they are also making substantial donations to the Internet Archive, since they will be directing a lot of traffic into it and basically using their infrastructure as a feature on their main product WebArchive link is hidden so deep in the "About the source" page that vast majority of Google users won't even know that it exists. There is excellent browser extension called Web Archives[0] that hooks all majo…

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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by Dylan16807 »

wakeupcall wrote: post #160
probably_wrong wrote: post #8

> [Google Cache] was meant for helping people access pages when way back, you often couldn't depend on a page loading. These days, things have greatly improved. So, it was decided to retire it. I wish I knew what he's talking about - not only are sites disappearing left and right, but even those that remain will often change so quickly that your search term is nowhere to be found. My cynical guess: websites want Goog…

> will often change so quickly that your search term is nowhere to be found About 5 years ago I was often pulling up the cache to see if the indexed/cached page actually contained the search terms I was looking up, suspecting the site was serving a different page compared to what I was redirected to. The number of websites doing this to game SEO was (and I suspect still is) substantial, despite google saying they're…

And it doesn't have to be malicious either. Sometimes a result used to be on page 47 and is no longer on page 47. Or it was in the "related links" section and that changes multiple times a day.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by Dylan16807 »

8note wrote: post #132
manquer wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It matters because the HN crowd maybe small when it comes consumer products , but is a dominant factor for cloud purchases. Having been burnt too many times with Google products[1] I try not use their offerings on the cloud many decision makers are here who will worry about similar issues. If Google wants to be serious about Cloud then they need to be serious about long term support. Microsoft in the win 3 /9x days t…

Google cache had what, 15 years of support, with no promises ever? I think of all the google.products, that's pretty good. Inbox still hurts though, but not as much as google music

The problem is that the average number of years does not inspire confidence, and they make almost no promises anywhere.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by rwmj »

Gud wrote: post #135
DaoVeles wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do worry about the future of IA. Simply because of some of their reckless moves with their book lending policy, they have opened themselves up to being bleed dry financially. That plus the amount of copyright infringement openly available on the site is just waiting to be attacked. I am waiting for Nintendo to get wind of the huge ROM dumps on there, it is not going to pretty. No manner of 'moral high ground' will…

I disagree. I am happy the Internet Archive are fighting the draconian copy right laws that exist.

Back over here in the real world, there is no possible way the IA will win this fight through the courts. It has to be dealt with by legislation.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by throwaway14356 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #154
Gud wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, disagree. The copyright trolls need to be fought in the courts as well. Obviously the law needs to be changed.

The “problem” is that society doesn’t see Nintendo/Disney/et al as copyright trolls - instead they’re successful businesses who made content and profit. Connecting those dots to archival work and historic preservation is a long slow process and won’t be successful in courts without legal changes.

We have to stop prioritizing it over everything else. You can't compete in the global playground if you have impossible to implement entitlement programs. Priority has to be new work not existing work and definitely not the work of dead people. We have countless similar schemes were people are to be rewarded for things done long ago. One can't pretend it isn't slowing everything down.
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