Many people outside AND INSIDE France still have not much understood that the current government have transformed a step at a time the Republic in a ready-for-a-full-coup fascist state, for those who can read french I suggest trying: - https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf page 43 bottom, or searching "réquisition de toute personne" - https://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl22-569.pdf with a good intervention from an LFI MEP, U…
Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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>Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes as Telegram was banned in Russia for a long time (or at least they tried) before giving up.
If they backdoored it between those events then it’d be logical to unban it.
There was no need, Russia did try by banning a lot of IP ranges but Telegram at the end was still running.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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We can be honest and the government realizes that it's not just talking. At least for the conversations they are concerned about. *EDIT* I dont agree with it, but Ive seen governments do far worse with far less.
Airlines do not search people's baggage for drugs. Postage services do not search people's packages for drugs.
Governments want control and intelligence. Im not saying the did this legally or valid like but I can see exactly why they did it. Same with Assange... The government was tired of dealing with his bs, legal or not.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
#164I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…
That is absolutely not how it works. If you offer a platform for public discourse you are required by law to moderate it or face the consequences. Telegram group chats are technically open to moderation, yet the company has done nothing to put any kind of moderation in place. This is in contrast to Facebook or Twitter. Those platforms will absolutely take down content that is offensive or criminal in nature.
You can report any post in public or private groups to moderators.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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We can be honest and the government realizes that it's not just talking. At least for the conversations they are concerned about. *EDIT* I dont agree with it, but Ive seen governments do far worse with far less.
I can assure you they are not concerned by illegal drugs and crime as every single french city is gangrened by drug dealers and thugs. But they really don't like free speech.
Governments want control and intelligence. Im not saying the did this legally or valid like but I can see exactly why they did it. Same with Assange... The government was tired of dealing with his bs, legal or not.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can be honest and the government realizes that it's not just talking. At least for the conversations they are concerned about. *EDIT* I dont agree with it, but Ive seen governments do far worse with far less.
And you can send encrypted SD cards through the mail. Arrest all postwomen.
Governments want control and intelligence. Im not saying the did this legally or valid like but I can see exactly why they did it. Same with Assange... The government was tired of dealing with his bs, legal or not.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
#167I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…
> There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him.
> But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things like traffic, drugs, pedopornography, anything bad you can image because he would not have done anything to combat that on Telegram.
This very article says that it's because Telegram doesn't cooperate with authorities in handling illegal content (which it is legally obligated to, to operate in France) and provides services to facilitate illegal activities (crypto or throwaway numbers).
It's in the "why was he arrested" section.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…
Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.
Telegram wasn't fully blocked in Russia even for a single day. They tried to block it and failed miserably. The team actively circumvented the blocking by deploying to new IPs faster than they were blocked, and in addition to that every IT guy in Russia had a tgproxy instance running for family and friends.
After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…
Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.
This is pure FUD. They're still trying to block it, the latest three attempts happened this week. Two of them were done in the middle of the night as training exercise, maybe for 3-4 hours each, and the last one then happened in the middle of the day. All three broke large parts of the internet and were quickly reverted.
When something newsworthy happens in some region, all messengers get blocked in that region for days, Telegram included. They don't care about collateral damage to other websites then.
Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport
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Why don't you post it yourself. And why should I care about what he says when telegram has some of the worst default encryption settings among commonly used messaging apps in the west?
Except Telegram is considered one of the most secured apps around. Obviously it cannot stop people from being stupid when they expose themselves. The very reason why France is not happy is that because they cannot get access to private chats and stuff. EU was (and is) pushing for the end of E2E encryption after all (it failed this time, but they will try again). Durov created Telegram because the russian government w…
How is this even relevant? Telegram doesn’t have E2EE enabled by default. Group chats aren’t encrypted at all.