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Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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It doesn't support a lot of modern Wi-Fi chipsets. There was an entire wave of Broadcom-powered stuff that they weren't able to develop for.

That sounds more like licensing issues than "being 20 years in the past."

The result is the same for users, regardless of where the blame lies.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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post #62

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It doesn't support a lot of modern Wi-Fi chipsets. There was an entire wave of Broadcom-powered stuff that they weren't able to develop for.

That sounds more like licensing issues than "being 20 years in the past."

There was some licensing drama[0] around BSD’s Broadcom bcm43xx driver. No idea if another driver was ever implemented as I’m not a BSD user.

[0] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20070405163434.GA18477@gollum.na...

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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post #67

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I don't remember Windows 95 & MS Word 6 being especially snappy. I think this is nostalgia.

Same for MacOS 6 and 7 on period hardware. It’s anything but snappy. MacOS 7 on PPC was snappy compared to Windows 95 on Intel, and that’s it. Amiga was snappy, compared to Windows, but I have a working Amiga 600 and it’s not a great platform even for email.

7.5 is really fast on a 68040 as long as you’re not bound by I/O

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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post #91

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> since huge parts of Haiku are written in C++ Sometimes pre-standard C++ and sometimes C++ 98. There's a lot of "C with classes" and stuff that C++ proponents will insist isn't now "really" C++ because that no longer suits their understanding of the language. As is common for that era it has its own custom string type, BString, and so on. So Swift is about 20 years over their horizon, and modern Swift is even furthe…

Some things never change, regardless of the modern C++ discussions. Apple, Google and Microsoft "modern C++" frameworks also use their own types, instead of the standard library. See Android NDK, IO Kit / Driver Kit / Metal bindings, C++/WinRT and WIL.

IOKit dates to circa 1999; it’s not “modern C++” by any reasonable definition.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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According to Mozilla's own numbers, Firefox Monthly Active Users have been trending down for years and are currently sitting at around 155 million. Source: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

If you switch from 'Worldwide' to 'United States' Firefox has shed 1/3 of its MAU in the last 5 years, much worse then I thought.

Sounds like a good reason to up the CEO's pay by another million for these accomplishments.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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post #8

I have said it before, Haiku feels like it is simultaneously 20 years in the future and 20 years in the past. The interface is so incredibly snappy but there is a lot of basics missing such as WiFi support. Seeing a modern browser supported does fill a big gap however. Who knows maybe one day through a series of silly unpredictable events it will be the OS of choice and running Ladybird browser in a similar fashion.

Is there good laptop support? By that I specifically mean, good power control management and display brightness control.

I had decent success with it on an 11th-gen Framework 13. Power management was finicky, but it was also finicky under OpenBSD, which makes me think it was a hardware or firmware issue. I haven't tried it since upgrading to the latest firmware, so maybe the combination of that plus whatever bugfixes have happened in the last couple years might've improved things.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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post #67

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I don't remember Windows 95 & MS Word 6 being especially snappy. I think this is nostalgia.

Same for MacOS 6 and 7 on period hardware. It’s anything but snappy. MacOS 7 on PPC was snappy compared to Windows 95 on Intel, and that’s it. Amiga was snappy, compared to Windows, but I have a working Amiga 600 and it’s not a great platform even for email.

Comparing A600's 68000@7.14MHz with the strongest macs running system 7 isn't fair.

If you're gonna do that, then remember how much faster a well-expanded Amiga was. Even faster than any real 68k Mac when emulating Mac.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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chrome eat their lunch for only one reason: everytime you were doing a google search, google literally begged people to download their browser while half of the smartphone were coming with google chrome by default. In the head of people google and chrome slowly became a synonym of internet the same way the ie icon used to be in the previous decade.

Beware of simplistic reasoning. What you mention was certainly a major reason, but not the only one. Another one was that Chrome was simply a better browser for many years for normal users (mainly because of its performance).

Yeah, a lot of people switched for its performance. For a while, it was the bringing you the efforts of both Apple and Google to improve the rendering. Couldn't be beat.

Re: Firefox Browser Ported to HaikuOS

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post #46

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With a fraction of the userbase it had 20 years ago, thanks to everyone that keeps shipping Chrome with their applications, testing only with Chrome developer tools, and so on. Anyway, congratulations to anyone involved in the port.

Wouldn't 20 years ago have less people using Mozilla/Firefox since everyone was still using IE6? I remember around that time i was still encountering several (public, not internal) sites that refused to work with anything that wasn't IE6. I think at least nowadays people try to pretend they care about web standards.

Sadly I now see sites refusing to work unless you use Chrome even though there is no technical reason whatsoever why it should break under other standards-complaint browsers. I've seen all sort of tricks to detect non-Chrome-usage and the result is anything from a snarky message advising you to use Chrome (sometimes a very specific version and OS is specified as well!) at best or a blank page at worst. And yes every time I've seen this, it's happened on public facing sites -- I'm lucky that at $WORKPLACE we are a Microsoft shop, and Microsoft (ironically) seems to put some effort into ensuring their tools works across all the 3 major browser engines (with the possible exception of Teams but I reluctantly use the Electron app for that). Chrome has become the modern day IE. The mainstream population just haven't realized that yet to be fair, but this will become clear in the years to come and the next generation will wonder how the heck both IE and later Chrome become dominant.
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