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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by evilfred »

mrtksn wrote: post #112
blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

>People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites For a long time now, that reason was to show ads and the content quality was very, very low. It destroyed journalism, it destroyed everything pretty much. Some of the blame is on Google but a lot of the blame is on the people with websites IMHO. People with websites can go back to the good old days when they made websites to…

LLM hallucinations can't be solved as it is the whole LLM mechanisms. all LLM results are hallucinations, it just happens some results are more true/useful than others.

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Post by paxys »

MattGaiser wrote: post #18
tptacek wrote: post #7

So, Google already does this, right? And most of the feedback I've seen is: "how the hell do we turn this off".

The problem with the Google one is accuracy. It told people to eat rocks. OpenAI just needs to beat that.

They are both training on the same garbage. OpenAI's accuracy isn't any better.

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Post by Ancapistani »

sharkjacobs wrote: post #119

The problem with Rabbit R1 and Humane is that we're still a massive gulf away from a competent human personal assistant who I can rely on to understand what I'm saying and use common sense and reasoning to respond and perform tasks reliably. This feels like the same thing. If I ask my assistant about "music festivals in Boone North Carolina in august" and they give me 5 results, 0 of which actually match what I asked…

> sometimes I really struggle to articulate what they're [LLMs] good at

I think of them like a person with entry level experience and an IQ of about 80.

That doesn't seem super useful, only... that "entry level experience" isn't in a single field. It's in literally everything.

It takes some time to figure out how to interact with them in a way that reliably gives the results you expect, but once you do, you can get a lot done. Taken to an extreme, a mid-career professional can essentially become a team lead that manages LLM-driven processes instead of a team of employees.

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Post by t0md4n »

asadotzler wrote: post #152
blagie wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize GPT-4o was released in May? And the new Facebook models within the past week? New models are coming fast too.

New models, not refinements on old models. You know what the OP was saying. Why the pedantry?

Aren't 'new models' always technically just refinements of old models? isn't that the point?

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Post by joshstrange »

I like and use OpenAI products but I’m so sick of these announcements. Ship or GTFO. We are still waiting on a whole slew of things (like Sora or new voice chat) and I’ve lost track of what’s actually released and what’s just announced.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by freediver »

RobinL wrote: post #91
jimbobthemighty wrote: post #65

I have found Perplexity to be very useful; if OpenAI can better Perplexity Alphabet has a big problem (at least until the opposition ruin their products by monetising them).

Agreed. Highly recommend giving it a go for anyone who hasn't tried it. I'm a heavy (paid) chat gpt user, but for anything that I know in advance the answer will benefit from a web search (because it needs recent data), I use perplexity.

How do you reconcile having to use multiple apps to get to the information you want?

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Post by Hizonner »

I'm guessing this is going to be even more opinionated than, say, Google has started to be, about what I'm allowed to search for and which results it's good for me to see. And...

> Publishers will have a way to “manage how they appear in OpenAI search features,”

Oh, goody.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by freediver »

downrightmike wrote: post #71
charlierguo wrote: post #23

Have we figured out a way to monetize AI-powered search yet? Presumably a product like this (or Perplexity) will ultimately be free, in which case they'll be forced to offer ads (bringing us back to Google's status quo) or perhaps worse, we'll have "product placement" in our AI-written results.

No, and that is a big problem, search doesn't make money either. People will not actually pay the cost for AI once they have to.

> No, and that is a big problem, search doesn't make money either.

Kahm, Kagi (and Google) would both disagree. You can even pick your favorite business model!

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Post by freediver »

charlierguo wrote: post #23

Have we figured out a way to monetize AI-powered search yet? Presumably a product like this (or Perplexity) will ultimately be free, in which case they'll be forced to offer ads (bringing us back to Google's status quo) or perhaps worse, we'll have "product placement" in our AI-written results.

This is already happening, most have either announced or are already monetizing their output with ads.

A few (inlcuding Kagi's LLM assisted search) will be monetized through user/customer subscriptions exclusively.

As with search, these two business models will lead to different outcomes for the users.

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Post by benreesman »

viraptor wrote: post #133
benreesman wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a dangerous falsehood. OpenAI's since-cancelled polygraph had a 9% rate of false positives, and a 26% rate of true positive. If I can lose a quarter of toxic bytes and need to enable JavaScript on one site in ten? Count me in! I want more false positives. https://openai.com/index/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai...

Then don't use any website - 100% false positives. But seriously, it's a 9% rate for specific models at the time. It's a cat and mouse game and any fine tuning or a new release will throw it off. Also they don't say which 9% was misclassified, but I suspect it's the most important ones - the well written articles. If I see a dumb tweet with a typo it's unlikely to come from LLM (and if it does, who cares), but a well…

It was a cat and mouse game before, spam always is. The inevitable reality that spam is a slog of a war isn’t a good argument for giving up.

I don’t know the current meta on LLM vs LLM detector, but if I had to pick one job or the other, I’d rather train a binary classifier to detect a giant randomized nucleus sampling decoder thing than fool a binary classifier with said Markov process thing.

Please don’t advocate for giving up on spam, that affects us all.

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