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EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

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So if I find a lunatic IDF member saying kill all Palestinians you would agree to stop debating this issue out of safety risks against arabs?

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Sounds more like it missed. They sent him a link, and he was wise enough to not click on it.

I wonder how that was supposed to work? Am I to believe that they have exploits for every browser engine on every OS that infect my phone just by visiting a page? Chrome on Android and WebKit on iOS? That would be concerning, but how realistic is that?

Yes, but the exploits are so valuable/expensive that they’ll only use them during targeted operations. Otherwise they risk burning the exploit. So just remain uninteresting and you should be safe.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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What on earth do you consider the common thread between those two names?

The common thread I'm seeing is "something you shouldn't aspire to be". That is, no one should want to be a candiru fish, nor a palantir.

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Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Sounds more like it missed. They sent him a link, and he was wise enough to not click on it.

I wonder how that was supposed to work? Am I to believe that they have exploits for every browser engine on every OS that infect my phone just by visiting a page? Chrome on Android and WebKit on iOS? That would be concerning, but how realistic is that?

> Am I to believe that they have exploits for every browser engine on every OS that infect my phone just by visiting a page?

This has been the reality of mobile phone security for almost a decade now. Any sufficiently-complex digital system will be rife with UB and exploits.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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If we're being fair , they're an evil company that does evil work for evil people. It's abhorrent that they're using Tolkien to give themselves nerd-appeal.

The uncomfortable truth is that nerds can be evil too.

I think that's more than obvious to any nerd who has ever played an online game.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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To adequately address this claim, we (the general HN public) would need to be able to access all of the metrics regarding censored/downvoted-into-oblivion articles on HN related to Israel/Mossad/Gaza/War Crimes/etc., and we all know that there is only one individual with such power, and its not exactly in their job description to reveal to this audience just how far and wide the obfuscation/censorship goes ..

Again: I keep track of mercenary spyware pretty closely. Almost all major stories in this area end up on the front page within hours or days of them breaking, especially if they have significant new information in them. I am not an expert on any topic that touches Israel but this is the one I watch and I see no reason to believe there is suppression of this topic. If someone is acting to try to keep this away from th…

> If someone is acting to try to keep this away from the site, then they are evidently fairly ineffective at it.

Keeping away, no. But they are trying hard and mostly succeed to deviate the discussion.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Not to downplay, but i would assume high profile people like EU parliment members would be targeted with phishing emails on a near daily basis. Like presumably law makers would be target #1 for espionage. Heck most ordinary people get phishing emails on a regular basis. Idk, i guess i was expecting something more sophisticated based on the headline than just: spear phishing attempt foiled after user fails to click on…

Why would you say not to downplay when that's literally the intention of your comment?

I took it as OP being aware of their comment going to sound like it but wasn’t their intention

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

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You're referring to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41066729. That comment was rightly flagkilled by users, but I believe you misread it. It was sarcastic and meant the opposite of what it appeared to be saying. In other words, it was more or less agreeing with your own view.

HN does get some genuinely antisemitic comments, most of which get posted by one or two serial trolls who keep making new accounts. We ban those whenever we see their latest incarnations—it's a whack-a-mole thing.

Edit: please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41071782 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41071809 also. I've replied in each place you posted this because people often jump to wrong conclusions about the community and it's important not to do that.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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1. That the legislative stranglehold on the eu and other bodies by this country is so strong that they do next to nothing to criticise/sanction israel despite literally being hacked by them? Post-pegasus as well. 2. This states lack of care and oftentimes facilitation of these groups, and their close ties to its military 3. The sense of neo mccarthyism that this creates with the idea of constant surveilance through t…

Or alternatively, there isn't really any evidence that the Israeli government was involved in this, which is probably why its not getting very much flak for this. Maybe you could make the argument there should be better export restrictions on private companies to treat so called "cyber-weapons" like real weapons. There are a bunch of efforts on this front. You kind of have to have the treaties in place before you can…

>Maybe you could make the argument there should be better export restrictions on private companies to treat so called "cyber-weapons" like real weapons.

As far as what is known with NSO group, Israel does categorize and control the cyber weapons as weapons, and have restrictions in place. But those restrictions are not based on any ethical code, rather only if the said client is not against or subservient to the interests of the State of Israel. Just like it does with IMI exports.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

#170

I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

They get discussed a fair bit, as other commenters have pointed out. But these stories tend to blend into each other after a while. It's hard to pick out which ones are new/interesting and eventually readers respond with fatigue to the entire category.

This phenomenon is generic and happens with all repeated/related stories. People only interpret it differently in this case because they're conditioned to treat this topic as a special case. They therefore assume there must be some special thing going on. Both sides of the conflict do this, btw.

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