Why are two European companies suing eachother in a US court? Ryanair doesn’t even serve the US, right?
Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling
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#162This will very likely be overturned as it flies in the face of the 9th circuit court decision on HiQ vs LinkedIn. This is in a different circuit, so it'll need to be elevated, but CFAA is absolutely the incorrect tool to be utilized here.
[1] https://calawyers.org/privacy-law/ninth-circuit-holds-data-s...
Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling
#163The reason that Ryanair is against OTAs reselling flights is not the fees, it’s that they’re often resold as a package holiday. Package holidays are flights bundled with hotels etc and are usually sold at much higher margin. Ryanair has its own package holiday business and prefers that they make the margin, not someone else. There are many more package holiday companies than airlines, they want to use this ruling and…
A big part is fees. OTAs like Booking sell the base part of flight from Ryanair and low cost airlines at the same price as the airlines but with much higher fees for luggage and extras. They hide this second part from flight search engines, so they appear cheaper when including luggage. I'm sure that a lot of dislike from low cost airlines comes from shitty OTAs rather than the airlines themselves.
Boosting this.
I recently tried to use Expedia to book a flight from Vancouver to Toronto on Porter Airlines because then I could use my TD Reward points.
The default prices that showed up in the results looked the same on Expedia or directly on Porter, so it didn't seem like I was losing anything.
Except that base flight included no carry-on and no checked-baggage, which I needed to do. On Porter directly fixing that cost an extra $40. Expedia said it cost $60.
For this particular flight I also needed to be able to make changes after booking. On Porter that increased the cost by $100. On Expedia, $150.
I still did it, cuz, y'know - points. But I shook my fist at Expedia the entire time.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why Africa? Why not southern Wyoming?
Quite obviously, minimum wage is many times higher in the US.
Minimum wage is not applicable for gig work. It would basically be the same business model as companies like https://rev.com, which can be <$1 per video transcribed.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flying budget air carriers is already so incredibly cheap in the EU. It is cheaper to fly from Belfast to London, than it is to fly Houston to Austin (half the distance) or Houston to New Orleans (roughly the same distance). I wish the US could figure that out.
RyanAir used to fly to Morocco, and it was often cheaper to go Dublin -> Marrakesh than it was to get a plane or train from London to Manchester. Lot of it comes down to individual airports and fees. Part of the reason that RyanAir flies into Buvais rather than CDG or Orly when you fly with them to 'Paris', or that other joke airport they use instead of Berlin.
A pilot friend who flew for ryanair showed me around control tower of Frankfurt Hahn (hint: nowhere near the real frankfurt) some ten years ago. We were shooting the shit with the controllers as a private jet plane came in on the radio, asking permission to land. After some back and forth they discovered this was the fake frankfurt, and eventually didn't come in for landing. That got a good chuckle from everyone...
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#166I suspect there are lots of details and context absent from this article. It's hard to believe this is only about booking.com scraping Ryanair's website. What part of it was "unauthorized", exactly? While it's generally legal in the US to scrape publicly available information, that doesn't translate scraping info that requires logging into an account first.
It seems the bigger issue at hand may be booking.com purchasing the tickets and adding a lot of hidden fees on top.
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#167Jury Verdict: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18414221/457/ryanair-da... > Part E: Computer Fraud an Abuse Act Loss > Did Ryanair prove by a preponderance of evidence that it suffered actual economic harm caused by Booking.com violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and, if yes, state the amount. > X Yes _ No > $ 5000 > Part E Nominal Damages > $ 0 > Part F: Punitive Damages > $0 I know Rynair won the lawsuit…
This sets a precedent going forward that will impact Booking.com and many other services that do the same thing. I would imagine that it is also a nice foundation for cases against AI training data scraped from sites.
Pretty soon every single website will be hidden behind a login page
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh lord you need to rephrase that....
Which part? Mechanical turk is an Amazon service for crowdsourcing work, and Africa has cheap IT literate labor so would be a good source for this type of work.
Cheap IT literate labor can be found around the world (also thanks to Mechanical Turk and similar services), no need to single out one region.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Booking.com's … grip on the market? Do they have a significant grip on the market? I’ve never used them, but for all I know they sell a majority of plane tickets. Then again I haven’t used Ryanair either. The reputations of Ryanair, Spirit etc are sufficient for me to avoid them. But in booking.com’s case I barely even know it exists.
They own Priceline, Kayak, Agoda and a lot of other sites
Ah, thanks. I do use kayak to look up flights (which I then book directly).