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Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by dailykoder »

wordofx wrote: post #156
lambdas wrote: post #142

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I couldn’t disagree more. I went to the doctors at 20 for suspect ADHD, I loved Maths more than anything but my degree was going terribly. I couldn’t focus on the correct things to get the work done, I had no sense of time or organisation, everything was an eternity away until it was due now. Time went on and it got worse and worse. Even non-academic, fun became a chore. Making music, playing games, going out; thinki…

It’s not one dimensional. Every man and his dog now claims to have ADHD. It used to be a legitimate thing that a few people legitimately have. But now people are like “oh I can’t focus doing my laundry I must have adhd feed me drugs” We shove drugs down kids throats claiming they have adhd because they can’t focus in economics class. It’s no different from depression. We used to treat people with depression. Now we j…

>It used to be a legitimate thing that a few people legitimately have.

It used to be only a few people for different reasons. First it was thought that you grow out of it, so if they missed your diagnosis as a child, because you weren't hyperactive, then they didn't diagnose you at all. And on top of that we just know more about it now, so we can be more detailed on the diagnosis. Which makes it sound like "oh now everyone has adhd". No, that's not the case.

And yes, there are lots of people that pretend to have ADHD, because their attention span minimized because of social media and whatnot, but ADHD is more than that. A lot more. It's not only being unable to focus, it can have severe physical sensations too and is just a very very broad spectrum. Yes, ADHD is real. Yes, we get more diagnosis now, because we know more. No, it's not that easy. Same with depression.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by wordofx »

phito wrote: post #159
wordofx wrote: post #156

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It’s not one dimensional. Every man and his dog now claims to have ADHD. It used to be a legitimate thing that a few people legitimately have. But now people are like “oh I can’t focus doing my laundry I must have adhd feed me drugs” We shove drugs down kids throats claiming they have adhd because they can’t focus in economics class. It’s no different from depression. We used to treat people with depression. Now we j…

Based on the ADHD-content I get recommended online, I agree there seems to be a bunch of people wrongly self diagnosing with ADHD and romanticizing it. It's really cringe and annoying. However, I can assure you that it exists and that people really do suffer from it. I would never use it as an excuse for anything, I actually never mention my diagnosis IRL, but it is useful to know why I struggle with some things that…

Only comment I upvoted so far. But just want to clarify that I never said it doesn’t exist. Just the majority of people don’t have it. I’ve only met 2 people who really have it and they could barely function without drugs. But I’ve met multiple dozens of people who say “oh I have adhd” like it’s fashionable simply because they get bored at work. It bothers the hell out of me knowing there’s people who truly have adhd and suffer to various extents.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by Lockal »

This game is "Endless Running And Jumping Game" clone, similar to those typically placed in YouTube Shorts to hold visual attention. But how one of these games - completely blank in terms of novelty and unreasonably expensive for its quality - could start being used as a cure is beyond me. It is an absolute discredit to both doctors and the FDA as a whole.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by Kiro »

arresin wrote: post #151
Kiro wrote: post #144

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I think everyone should be prescribed Elvanse. I don't have ADHD but Elvanse feels like taking NZT. I become a superhuman.

If you actually have a normal functioning brain (imo) the detriments out weigh the benefits: you will do more but the quality will be lessened and you’ll have fewer insights. (Also this is apart from the ethics of abusing a medicine that is tenuously situated in the public mind but is literally life saving for a small population of people (untreated ADHD increases risk of early death and reduces lifespan more than sm…

Not my experience at all. I feel exactly the same as people with ADHD describe the effects. Why gatekeep such a miracle medicine?

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by caddemon »

eleveriven wrote: post #149
renewiltord wrote: post #101

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Pretty amusing. They make more money when you're worse at treating your ADHD since you'll be unable to actually cancel the subscription.

Is it like possible that they thought it through to take advantage of individuals with conditions like ADHD?

It's meant for kids so parents would be the ones paying. Obviously they're trying to profit and it does seem a bit overpriced (though there are extra logistical costs for anything to be medically approved, so it's not comparable to a normal game). But I highly doubt there was any intent to take advantage of people here.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by dkga »

Now I know for certain that all that N64 Star Fox has clinically helped me :)

To this day when I need to focus on an issue I often say “Location confirmed, sending supplies” or some other SF sentence.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by viraptor »

codr7 wrote: post #123
TeMPOraL wrote: post #109

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I wouldn't call it euphoria, but the first 10mg of methylphenidate I took kept me running around the house at high gear for almost an entire day, doing all kinds of non-critical chores that ordinarily were too boring and/or difficult to get into. Subsequent doses did not have anywhere near as drastic effect :). But, euphoria or not, on stimulants I can at least feel the change near-immediately. It's unlike pretty muc…

Oxy does the same for pain, also stops working pretty quickly. The problem with both stimulants and opiates is overdosing will kill you pretty effectively, and many will eventually overdose if they keep using them long enough, chasing the initial effect. Modern medicine unfortunately seems focused on creating ever more addictive substances and treatments, creating subscribers I guess, which says a thing or two about…

I really don't think it's reasonable to mix addictive stimulants in general into a discussion about ADHD drugs. There's a difference between (for example) crack and ritalin. It's hard to even chase the initial ritalin effects - once you go past your useful dose, you just start getting similar symptoms as not taking it at all + side effects.

If it doesn't work well, you'll get lots of other options - they're just as much a part of the modern medicine. This is becoming a meme. Why repeat this rather than post information about alternatives, if you care about this issue?

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by fxtentacle »

In case anyone is curious, this is the actual study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s44184-024-00075-w.pdf

"AKL-T01 was linked with improvements on the Test of Variables of Attention (TOVA®) Attention Comparison Score (ACS) of 2.6 (95% CI: 2.02, 3.26; p I would read that as: Focusing on this specific video game helps you to learn how to focus on things in general.

But "Mean overall compliance in the Efficacy Population was 72.4%", which kind of suggests that this game isn't that much fun to play. Or else, why would 1 out of 4 kids not play the mandatory 25 minutes per day?

What I find a bit shady, though is that https://www.endeavorrx.com/the-research/ says "There were no serious adverse events seen in any clinical trials of EndeavorRx" with a big 0% above it, but the study did have adverse events, like headache and nausea, they just didn't classify those as "serious".

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by viraptor »

ben_sisko wrote: post #51
Aurornis wrote: post #39

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Nonstimulant medication is also very effective, but with the caveat that it takes longer to kick in. The second caveat is that it’s devoid of any recreational value during the startup period, which has an outsized effect on people’s perception of the medication “working”. Stimulant medication tends to be favorably accepted at first (for entirely unsurprising reasons, even though some people don’t experience quite the…

I’m not saying the non-stimulant options do nothing, but on average the non-stimulant options have a lower effect size than the stimulants. There are many well designed studies that have covered this territory over and over. Lots of people take these medications at the same dose for years and years. I get that many people feel strongly about this topic in all kinds of ways and directions, but that fact by itself chan…

The fun with averages! The thing that's often missed when discussing this is that the alternatives don't help the same group to a smaller degree. The groups are not fully overlapping. That means you may find some stimulants not working for you, but some non-stimulants working great. The biggest effect of stimulants is why they're tried first.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Post by viraptor »

arresin wrote: post #152
Aurornis wrote: post #39

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Nonstimulant medication is also very effective, but with the caveat that it takes longer to kick in. The second caveat is that it’s devoid of any recreational value during the startup period, which has an outsized effect on people’s perception of the medication “working”. Stimulant medication tends to be favorably accepted at first (for entirely unsurprising reasons, even though some people don’t experience quite the…

This is the problem with the internet. The post I’m replying to is a complete lie. Non-stimulant medication is basically useless.

There's lots of options and people have different issues. For me stimulants suck, but 2 out of 3 tested non-stimulants work great. So [citation needed] on your "basically useless".
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